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FFA

12-10-2004 11:48:29




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our ffa chapter has a WC styled. we are in the process of getting it started after a engine rebuild. right now we know that the timing is just about right. when we try to start it when it fires it makes a boom then dies. usually see a flame come out the exhaust. need help. please reply.




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buster

01-06-2005 06:29:22




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 Re: WC help in reply to FFA , 12-10-2004 11:48:29  
we are restoring a styled WC tractor in our FFA class also. We are in Alabama, where is your chapter?

We had to time ours much like the other guys have already described. Basically determine when #1 piston is ready to fire and manually set the rotor to it's firing position.



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Gene

12-10-2004 21:53:56




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 Re: WC help in reply to FFA , 12-10-2004 11:48:29  
Sounds like you are very close to getting the tractor running. What type of ignition system is on the tractor - magneto or battery operated?

The problems could be in several areas. Timing - double check. If you have a battery operated ignition have someone rotate the distributor as the engine is being cranked. A hint - the bolt holding the fan belt/generator pulley to the crankshaft is very close to TDC when it points to 12 o'clock. Use a timing light to check the #1 cylinder firing in relationship to this bolt.

You could have installed the flywheel 90 or 180 degrees out. The I&T manual has a double check on the valve/engine timing. Use this double check to locate TDC on the back of the flywheel - then mark the flywheel with chalk or a stripe of paint.

Another possiblity is that the distributor timing is off one gear tooth. Same with the magnito.

Check the valve lash - again.

Gene

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Gene

12-11-2004 09:43:23




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 Re: WC help in reply to Gene, 12-10-2004 21:53:56  
Another thought. Check to see that the spark plug wires are set to the distributor. Run the #1 cylinder up on TDC - check the rotor position. Where the rotor points is going to be the #1 plug wire.

In regards to Aarons statement that the flywheel can be instlled in only one position. It's supposed to be true. However, I have the flywheel installed 90 degrees out on my running 36 WC. I put together two WC engines to make one. I don't know if the flywheel bolt holes were worn or on a previous overhaul somone drilled out one of the bolt holes, but it went together without a problem. There are several other timing marks painted on the flywheel. It took a while to figure out this engine's timing problem.

Early WC's have only the "F" fire timing mark on the flywheel. This mark is 30 degrees or 3 1/8 inches before (in advance of) TDC. If you used the "F" to initially time the engine you will need to measure back the 3 1/8 inches then reset the distributor.

Gene

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Aaron SEIA

12-11-2004 06:55:57




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 Re: WC help in reply to Gene, 12-10-2004 21:53:56  
The flywheel can't be installed out of time, it's got slightly offset bolts, only goes one one way. Take the #1 plug out. Insert thumb into hole. Rotate by hand untill you feel air rushing past your thumb. That means #1 is coming up on compression. Have someone else under the tractor looking for the timing mark on the flywheel. When the mark lines up, your on #1 TDC. Pop the cap and check to see where the rotor is. I had a WD that would not time for ANYTHING with the mag I had on it. Finally got a distributor and that fixed it. Near as I could tell, I somehow put the mag drive gears in one tooth off. Would not time to the mag, but the distributor let me rotate past what the mag would. Post back if you have any problems or get it fixed.
Aaron SEIA

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