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Model A tractors value??

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R Wyler

12-09-2004 16:44:03

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I am curious what are model A allis tractor's worth now? I am curious about this what are they worth running and not running? I never see them for sale. R Wyler

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Butch(OH)

12-09-2004 18:34:46

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Re: Model A tractors value?? in reply to R Wyler, 12-09-2004 16:44:03

I dont know of any nicely restored ones that have sold so top dollar is best guess. Other values depend greatly on location, what is missing, sheet metal and whether it barely runs or runs well, same as any other tractor. Of course there is the occasional steal from an unknowledgable seller too. Given a mid-west location and a seller that knows what he has locked up non-runners with bad rims (common) and beat up sheetmetal go $1-2K. Locked up but decent otherwise go 2-3K. Running with bad metal 3-4K. Running with decent metal 5-6K. Nice running originals up to 9K. Non running beat up clunkers have droped considerably the last few years as buyers of such found out how much it takes to bring one back. Darn few cheapo A parts exist and it doesnt take long to get burried in a too cheap tractor. They are not that hard to find right now if your willing to travel to them and pay market price. I know of 5-6 sold in the last couple years, own a couple myself.

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R Wyler

12-09-2004 19:05:24

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Re: Model A tractors value?? in reply to Butch(OH), 12-09-2004 18:34:46

Thanks for the info Butch that answers my questions. They are a neat tractor for sure. What kind of reputation does that engine have on the A I know it was in the earlier big wheatland tractors like the E and 20-35 and 15-30 and the 18-30. Were those engines known for running many thousands of hours? I have never heard anything about these and I am curious. Thanks.

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Butch(OH)

12-09-2004 19:49:11

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Re: Model A tractors value?? in reply to R Wyler, 12-09-2004 19:05:24

The 6.5" stroke engine was highly refined by the time the As wee out and cause little problem as noted by the other poster. Mechanicals from the clutch back were another story. Early production up to mid-1938 used a lot of model U parts in the transmission and gave problems especialy when the bore size was increased from 4 3/4" to 5 1/4" giving another 100 cubes, 460 to 563. In mid 1938 the shafting size was close to doubled on both the bevel pinion shaft and the counter shaft and shifting was moved from the countershaft to the bevel pinion shaft pretty well fixing the transmission problems but they still used a model U differential. The cross pin would work loose and when it came out the ring gear would push it out the back of the casting and rip the casting right up through the serial number. They had similar problems with the Us and it is not uncommon to see As and Us with replacement non-serial numbered differantails or lots of nickle welding rod attached. Here is a pic of mine, both 1938s far one is crank start kerosene fueled. Front one is electric start gasoline fueled.

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Tom_J

12-13-2004 11:57:37

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Re: Model A tractors value?? in reply to Butch(OH), 12-09-2004 19:49:11

Why are some wheels on A"s painted black and others not? Would a later type A be much more desirable?

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R Wyler

12-10-2004 11:19:21

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Re: Model A tractors value?? in reply to Butch(OH), 12-09-2004 19:49:11

Thanks for the info and pics Butch. Those are beautiful model As you have there. I have often wondered about the drive train on these I knew they were designed like I U though I did not know that they were the same size until that discussion about them in here not too long ago. I do remember reading about the gear patter changed in one of my Allis books though I did not know about the beefing up that they underwent that you have told me about. Very interesting thanks. R Wyler

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fatboy

12-09-2004 19:27:37

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Re: Model A tractors value?? in reply to R Wyler, 12-09-2004 19:05:24

The engine in my cousins model A has been running
strong with only one overhaul and they bought the tractor new and was the work horse for a good long time until they bought a new 185 Allis.

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R Wyler

12-09-2004 19:31:03

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Re: Model A tractors value?? in reply to fatboy, 12-09-2004 19:27:37

Thanks that wouldf be a good many years from a new A to a new 185. I am not suprised that those engines would be very long lasting as I have always figured they were heavy built alot like the engine in the Case L and LA tractor's. R Wyler

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