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bennie

11-30-2004 11:06:27




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I'm rebuilding wd gas engine,in the shop manualAC-11-PAGE21-PAR97 it saids use the standard shim pack of four shims on each side.I had the crank turned and bought new main bearings,I only got 1 set of shims with the bearings 2f-2m-2r.I don't understand.NEED HELP NO MECH.




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wdTom

11-30-2004 17:18:07




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 Re: WD Allis Chalmers in reply to bennie, 11-30-2004 11:06:27  
There is a LOT more than just putting in shims. You need to maintain proper crush, which is the bearing shells adding up to a couple thousnads more diameter than the bearing housing, rod, or main in the block. I put the bearing shells in position in a CLEAN rod or main (whatever) and finger tighten the cap. When starting put all upper mains in the block and rest the crank in them. Put just a little oil on the crank and crank side of the shell as you will be turning the crank in these shells for a while. A couple of drops is enoght, you you don't want it getting between the bearing and the block. Measure the gap between the cap and main body of the bearing, get each side even by adjusting bolt tension (with fingers or VERRY LITTLE more force) Now say you have a reading with your feeler gauge of .010". To maintain crush you would put in .008' shims. This makes the bearings a tight, but not too tight fit. I am not sure about the amount of crush, .002" may not be right, the book will correct me here, but that is the idea. Next you put the bearing together with the proper shims for crush, but you put a strip of plasti gauge on the bearing before you put it together, torque the bearing to near final, take it apart and check the plasti gauge with the package it came in and read the clearance you have. If it isn't right you have to file the bearing shells to bring it down. You have to file them evenly. This is important. Especially end to end so they will maintain even crush. I use a flat surface and a dial indicator to measure the bearing before andwhile fileing. With the bearing shell ends on the flat surface the dial indicator will read the "height" of the round "top" of the bearing. You can keep track of of how much and how evenly you are fileing this way. If you needed to remove say .002" you must also remove .002" in shims to maintain your crush. Do all this with the bearing shells nearly dry. Don't lube until you are done. Do not put any lube between the bearing shell and their housings. Put lube on the crank and shell the last thing you do before you assemble it for the last time after the proper fit and crush is established. Turn the crank after each bearing is done. When doing the rods it will get harder and harder to turn as you have to drag the pistons along, but it should always turn when you are done. To do this right takes a long time, it isn't a 45 min job. Don't rush it. If you don't want to do all this you can have your machine shop machine the rods and block so they will fit the bearings without shims and giveproper clearance, like modern engines. WD-45 and maybe some later WDs were like this I think.

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bennie

11-30-2004 18:09:33




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 Re: WD Allis Chalmers in reply to wdTom, 11-30-2004 17:18:07  
Thanks for the detail information .I'll try to let you know how things come out.WD TOM



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COLIN MCAFEE

12-01-2004 18:14:54




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 Re: WD Allis Chalmers in reply to bennie, 11-30-2004 18:09:33  
I recently went rebuilt the bottom end on a WD45 engine a ran into problems getting the right shims. The I @ T book i have specifies a shim "pack" of four shims of total thickness of .0025" inches. All the shim kits I ordered (I tried several different manufacuters)were not packs, they were single shims for each side (both rods and mains), and they measured right at .008" thick.
My new bearings were made by Clevite so I called them and got to talk to an engineer. He confirmed the manual, that the correct shims should be what is called "onion skin" shims" or a pack of 4 totaling .0025" thick. He could not explain why his company's shim product was not that way.
In desparation, I cut my own shims out of .0025" brass shim stock using the thicker incorrect ones as a pattern. It takes patience, patience, patience, sharp scissors and a sharp hole punch.
As a note of interest, my rod bearing clearance came out on the money with this thickness shim pack (my crank was freshly re-ground to the correct undersize- I checked it with a newly re-calibrated micrometer capable of reading to .0001").
However, the mains required the use of the thicker, new .008" thick shims. Go figure, huh?

I believe the problems come about from mixing 50+ year old re-used components with new replacement parts. Just use your head, think logically, reason out problems, and do what is necessary to make everything work correctly. That's the long version of "common sense".

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bennie

12-01-2004 19:33:17




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 Re: WD Allis Chalmers in reply to COLIN MCAFEE, 12-01-2004 18:14:54  
Thanks Colin I'll try you'er suggestion also.I will let you know after the week end. again thanks



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