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AC WD Oil pan gaskets replacment

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Noah

10-22-2004 14:09:14




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OK guys, I really need your help!

I am trying to put new gaskets on the oil pan of a 1952 AC WD with wide front. I did all the homework on the fourm archive, talked to Norm (who was very, very helpful) and got all the right equipment and I still messed it up. The thing leaks worse now! The problem I had is the same others have decribed. The front and rear cork seals kept sliding around on me. I used the trick that Norm told me and that helped alot. He recommended soaking them in water and clamping them over a 4 inch pipe to dry. This worked great to get them in a "U" shape before I tried to put them on. I DID NOT trim the ends either. I also used the idea from the forum archive that said to replace four bolts with 4 studs to help line things up. Part of my problem is that the angle iron that the front of the engine bolts to is in the way of dropping the pan straight down. The front steering is also attached to this same angle iron. I think that I need to block the front end up so I can unbolt the engine and steering to remove this angle iron so I can go straight up with the pan. The other problem is that the dang cork seals kept moving out of position and sometimes falling inside the oil pan. Here are my questions. Any advise to keep me safe while blocking up the front end to unbolt the engine and steering to remove angle iron? Can I use some type of glue, silicon, or some type of gasket goo (Permatx) to glue the cork seals in place. If I glue them and let them dry and then install the next day, I think this would prevent the slipping and sliding. Also, all the gaskets that came in the Kit were alittle long. I already know that I should not trim the cork seals. I did not trim them when I tried to put them in. This is why they like to slip around I suppose. But, the gaskets for the long sides of the pan are also alittle long. The ends of these gaskets stick out into the "U" shaped area where the cork seals go. If I don't trim them, I am concerned that they are going to fold over when the cork seal presses up against them as I tighten the bolts. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks for your time. You guys have helped me out a ton in the past...hope I can return the favor some day.

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rrhead(SD)

10-22-2004 14:28:13




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 Re: AC WD Oil pan gaskets replacment in reply to Noah, 10-22-2004 14:09:14  
This is the advice I used on my 45. It worked perfectly. I received this when I asked the same question. I think the clips are very important.

Get your pan gasket from AGCO and you will get high quality gaskets plus the important clips to hold the ends.The manual stresses the importance of building up the corners of the pan where the sides meet the ends with solder to maintain that square corner so I did that to mine. I use a very thin line of #2 Permatex under the end pieces and hold them with the clips. The ends should be sticking up 1/2" or so past the rail. Outside of the end pieces gets a 1/4" bead of #2 then I stick the sides with a gasket cement (not sealer) The ends of the side pieces go over top of the end gaskets. Nothing goes between the gaskets and block except for a small bead of #2 at the corners where the sides meet the ends. I have had zero leaks so far. A place that gets over looked is the rear main cap. The higher quality overhaul gasket sets contain a small gasket that goes underneath the side of the rear main cap, if nothing is there oil can get between the cap and block amd out the rear and a pretty good leak.

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noah

10-23-2004 12:14:25




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 Re: AC WD Oil pan gaskets replacment in reply to rrhead(SD), 10-22-2004 14:28:13  
Thanks for the help. I have a couple of follow up questions if you don't mind. Do the clips stay in place after everything is bolted up tight? Do they come off at some point and if so when and how. When you say that the Outside of the end pieces get 1/4" of #2 is that the outside of the 1/2" that is sticking up past the rail or the entire lenght of the cork seal that goes up agains the block? When you stick the sides with cement, I assume fromm what you say later that you stick them to the pan and not the block? I do not understand what you mean when you say that the ends of the side pieces go over top of the end gaskets. I understand that the end gaskets are the thick cork seals that are held in place with the clips, but don't know what you mean by the ends of the side rail gaskets go over top of these. Could you please explain further? Do you have a phone # for AGCO? Can you give me a brand name of a gasket cement so I get the right stuff. Thanks a million for you time and advice.

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