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WHY IS THE ALLIS WD45 WORHT SO LITTLE??

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Emil

10-19-2004 16:14:38




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hi i have a quick question. Ive been looking for a tracor and have found a allis wd45. the guy wants $2000 for it. he says it is in perfest shape and that it runs awsome. People say it is only worth around $2000 tops. why is that?? I mean if i compare it to the ford 3000, the fords are worth like $2000 more. From what i hear the allis has more horsepower so why are they worth so little?? im basical going to use it for mowing please help. thank you

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Pat Cruise

10-20-2004 19:02:25




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 Re: WHY IS THE ALLIS WD45 WORHT SO LITTLE?? in reply to Emil, 10-19-2004 16:14:38  
In my personal opinion the ford is a good tractor and definately worthy of its price,However if you are in the market for that style of tractor I would also consider the Allis D- series,(10,12,and 14 in particular).These are very good tractors with many more modern features comparable to the Ford.Parts availability may not be as good but they are still readily available.With the exception of the D-10 being desirable to some collectors,Prices should be pretty comparable.Hope this helps!

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John (MO)

10-20-2004 08:20:46




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 Re: WHY IS THE ALLIS WD45 WORHT SO LITTLE?? in reply to Emil, 10-19-2004 16:14:38  
There were over 230000 WD and WD45's made. They are more common than pigs on a farm. No reason for them not to be cheap, and cheap isn't $2000, it's $800 to $1500. One of them will sure do the job for you, but it's going to be worth what it is now. The Ford you talk about seems underpriced and if you deside in 2 years you want something different, you can most likely make money on it.



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Dean

10-20-2004 06:48:24




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 Re: WHY IS THE ALLIS WD45 WORHT SO LITTLE?? in reply to Emil, 10-19-2004 16:14:38  
As I said in your other post, the Ford has a 3-point hitch, a major improvement. It probably also has power steering, live power, and a much lower center of gravity. The WD-45 is a row crop tractor. Though these were much in favor in the 50s, they no longer are. As a result, the 3000 will be a better mowing tractor especially if your ground is steep. Additionally, parts are probably more readily available from more nearby dealers for the Ford as NH dealers still exist while Agco dealers are less numerous in most parts of the country. That said, the WD-45 is a good machine, if in good condition. It simply is less desireable to most and commands a lower price as a result.

As others have mentioned, Ford Select-O-Speed transmissions, though the "cats meow" if good, have developed a bad reputation, mostly undeserved, resulting from improper maintenance and the unavailability of some parts today. They are very expensive to repair and, as a result, many are in need of work. Does the 3000 that you are looking at have the 10-speed Select-O-Speed transmission? If so, does it work properly in ALL speeds when fully up to operating temperature? Something to think about. Ford 3000s were available with conventional gear transmissions as well and such machines usually command a higher price.

Finally, two vintages of Ford 3000s were made. The earlier 4-cylinder version was made in the early 60s and is essentially a Ford 601 series machine. The later 3-cylinder series was made in the middle and later 60s and is a heavier, more modern, and slightly more powerful machine.

Dean

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gene

10-19-2004 23:30:41




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 Re: WHY IS THE ALLIS WD45 WORHT SO LITTLE?? in reply to Emil, 10-19-2004 16:14:38  
Agree with the previous posts. Doesn't hurt my feelings (pocket book) that the WD series are a whole lot cheaper tractor to purchase that the Fords. I feel that the Allis WD series is a good value for the price.

Another consideration that may effect the value difference is that the WD series tractor is taller (bigger) than the Fords. First impressions - the smaller tractor would match my acreage better than the bigger tractor. You will also, at least around here, see a lot of Fords sitting next to the road with for sale signs. Not often will you see an Allis sitting next to the road with a for sale sign.

The Fords are more comfortable for the operator than the WD series. I'm 6' tall and keep disconnecting the hand clutch with my knee when I step on the brakes. My opinion - the WD series were built for the average sized person 60 years ago - a few inches shorter. As someone else stated, I have to crawl up over the back of the tractor and some times the attached equipment to reach the seat.

The WD series tractor will handle a 5' bush hog with ease and a whole lot more. If you are basing your choice of tractor on price, take the WD45. If you are old and over 5' 10", like me, I would still take the WD45.

Just my opinion

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wdTom

10-20-2004 17:58:50




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 Re: WHY IS THE ALLIS WD45 WORHT SO LITTLE?? in reply to gene, 10-19-2004 23:30:41  
I am well over 6', and know WDs. The hand clutch, just adjust the lever to be more forward with the adjustment beside the transmission, look forward from the bottom of the clutch lever and you will see how to do it. As for seating, jsut put a few inch extension on the seat mount to locate the seat a couple of inches back. Now when you are operating swing your left leg back and rest foot on the step behind the differential. Need to stop fast, use the hand clutch. Lean right forearm on right fender. As I said, have spent many hundred hours on a 45 as a kid, am working on a WD not, and it all still applies.

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Spider N/W OH

10-19-2004 20:09:22




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 Re: WHY IS THE ALLIS WD45 WORHT SO LITTLE?? in reply to Emil, 10-19-2004 16:14:38  
The WD & WD45 are off middle seat and stearing.
About theonly way to get on them is from the rear.
That means climbing over the equptment to get inthe seat. The Fords are side and back getting into the seat,plus you set centered and are much more comfortable to drive. If you ever spent all day on a wd45 working down ground you would know what I mean. Look for a Ford 9N, 2N OR 8N.they will do the job. A 550 oliver,555 oliver would be good also. Think about it. thats my 2cents worth.

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Gatz

10-19-2004 17:10:44




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 Re: WHY IS THE ALLIS WD45 WORHT SO LITTLE?? in reply to Emil, 10-19-2004 16:14:38  
The WD45 was last produced in 1957
The Ford 3000 was introduced in 1964
The years difference alone will help explain why the Ford is more than the Allis.
With those added years, there were alot of changes industry-wide that made the 60's tractors better.

The Ford has true 3-point hitch and more than likely live PTO and hydraulics; the WD45 has A/C's version of live PTO (which works great, too)
The Ford will match up to generic 3-pt mounted equipment, whereas the WD45 would need to be converted to handle the same.
A/C had a wonderful design in the SnapCoupler method of mounting implements, however the line of equipment was limited to A/C. The rest of the companies went to a standardized 3-pt system which A/C eventually joined in the mid 60's.

The WD45 used high-pressure low-volume hydraulics which was not the same as the other makes, either.

Another thing to consider.... do they both have power steering? A Ford 3000 would be handier for all-around work and would still be able to do some field work.
The WD45 is more suited for a row-crop tractor.
Regarding pricing....as they say...whatever the market will bear.
I grew up with A/C, but thought the Fords & IH had something to offer too. Always wondered how the Select-O-Matic would be to run.
Gatz

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zach

10-22-2004 18:16:00




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 Re: WHY IS THE ALLIS WD45 WORHT SO LITTLE?? in reply to Jim Danforth, 10-19-2004 20:32:45  
Go with the 45. The ford tactors are the same as ford cars and trucks junk!



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