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D14 power director not leaking- PTO lever is

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chris in ontari

10-12-2004 12:16:10




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Thanks to Cole for his advice on my earlier post about a leak at the power director lever. Unfortunately it turns out that it wasn"t leaking along the power director shaft, it was leaking at the PTO engage/disengage lever, which is a couple of inches lower and which would be below the oil level when it is filled to the proper level. When I opened the inspection cover, the oil level was just below the PTO engage lever shaft, since it stops leaking out when it gets that low. It also matches the external marks where oil was coming out.

So, since it"s the PTO engage lever shaft seal that"s leaking, how to fix it? I see that it does have an o-ring, but the shaft is attached to the shifter fork inside the body of the tractor with a roll pin, and there"s no room in there to drive out the roll pin. Do I have to split the tractor to get at it? Obviously I"d rather not. Anybody have any tricks for fixing this without splitting? If I decide to just close it back up and deal with it in the spring, should I be worried about using the tractor with the power director clutch oil level being about 2 inches low?

Chris

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Gatz

10-17-2004 19:47:27




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 Re: D14 power director not leaking- PTO lever is in reply to chris in ontario, 10-12-2004 12:16:10  
Chris,
The tractor will have to be split to get the PTO lever out and the seal replaced.
They're not that difficult; just takes a little time.
Besides, when will ya ever get a chance to see a PD up close and personal ?? j/k
However, in the meantime, if you still want to use the tractor (without using the PTO), you could try this;
Get some heavy string or cord and some non-hardening Permatex #2.
Check to see if oil level is still below the shaft or drain some out to get it there.
Clean all around the lever shaft next to the housing with paint thinner or lacquer thinner and blow off with air.

Wear eyeshield!!!

Place shift lever in off position.
Coat the string with the Permatex and wind the string around the shaft between any washers or the lever itself and the housing; letting it build up. (There may not be any washers.)
Leave some string unwound and tie off. Allow a few hours before refilling the oil.
This should hold until next spring when you have more time.
Do NOT run the oil level low. Refill to the right level on the stick.
The Permatex will get somewhat stiff, so it would best not to use the PTO if you can avoid it lest it start to leak again.
Gatz

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Gatz

10-18-2004 09:10:06




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 Re: D14 power director not leaking- PTO lever is in reply to Gatz, 10-17-2004 19:47:27  
Assuming this to be a WFE, we always kept the front half stationary and moved the rear end back.
We had small wedge-shaped pieces of wood (a 2x4 will actually work if it's cut at about 10 to 12 degree angle on top)
We'd put one on each side of the front-end between the axle & the casting and "tap" it in with a good whack to keep the top-heavy front from laying over. Blocked the front wheels.
If this is a narrow front end tractor, you may have to make some temporary stands that reach to the floor to keep the front upright.
After removing the top side covers, we suspended the front portion with an overhead hoist with lift chains attached to the side rails near the rear of the engine; being careful not to short out the batteries. (best to disconnect them b/4 starting anyway)
We used a floor jack and place it under the heavy weldment that held the TB sensing spring.

The PTO shaft will have to be removed.
Also, the PD lever, actuator shaft and fork.

When the chain hoist and the floor jack have the load supported, remove the bolts holding the transmission to the torque tube. Be careful that it doesnt all of a sudden come apart.
We frequently had to use a heavy cold chisel and a 2# hammer to get the two seperated.
It's important to keep the gap consistant all around when moving the rear end back, because the PD clutch and bearings must stay inline. The PD clutch a'y stays with the rear end.
Once it's seperated, you can see how to get the rollpin out and replace the o'ring.
I had my D17 apart this summer to do the same thing.
The hardest part was getting the spring-loaded ball on the PTO shifter back into position.
Make sure you get a new gasket for the split, all shaft o'rings and might as well get the PTO rear seal too.
If you want to email me, I'd be glad to add a few more hints.
Gatz

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chris in ontario

10-18-2004 05:12:25




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 Re: D14 power director not leaking- PTO lever is in reply to Gatz, 10-17-2004 19:47:27  
Thanks, Gatz!

Yeah, it looked to me like there was no way except to split the tractor, so yesterday I put it back together. I will try the Permatex and string route, but -- I need the PTO for the snowblower. If I'm lucky, I only have to do the driveway 10-15 times, shifting PTO once or twice per outing, only running for an hour or so each time. So I'll do the string and Permatex, fill 'er right up to the proper level, and let 'er leak if she wants to, with a top-up before each use. We're not talking a gusher here, just a slow drip that you notice more when the tractor is sitting since it accumulates then.

I'll leave splitting to the spring, but any tips? I presume I leave one half supported in place and move the other half away, but which half should I move away? And how, both halves look pretty heavy!

Chris

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Gatz

10-19-2004 13:54:22




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 Re: D14 power director not leaking- PTO lever is in reply to chris in ontario, 10-18-2004 05:12:25  
Chris, I got my last post in the wrong place...

Scroll up to see the one with the most recent date

Gatz



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