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Is it a AC or American Road Machine ?

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Dave in LOUISI

10-11-2004 17:01:52




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I have described what I thought was an Allis Chalmers and a gentleman replied by suggesting it is a American Road Machine. WHAt do you think. I can't locate info to help me decide to persue this project or drop it.
I located an orangish red piece of what appears to be a tractor except it has 2 manual wheels adjacent to the steering wheel to raise and lower a blade locaded under the transmission. It is 4 cylinder gas with magneto and truck tires on the front and large tractor rear tires. There is NO PTO. It may have a 3 or 4 speed trany and the rear-end appears to be oversized related to the size in tractors. It does have an Allis Chalmers serial plate on the right front of the frame. Now I wonder if someone else didn't use AC to make a road grader ! The wheels front and rear appear to have extra wieghts bolted in the center. The machine is nearly complete best I can tell. Will examine further this week. What's your best bet on this and what is needed to better identify this hunk of iron.
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old

10-11-2004 18:27:56




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 Re: Is it a AC or American Road Machine ? in reply to Dave in LOUISIANA, 10-11-2004 17:01:52  
Soulds like what I have in my shed. Its an AC W-9 Speedpatrol, it uses the same engine as a WC or WD. The seat is off set to the right and the clutch pedel has 2 places to push it. Has hand brakes. Has a hand start rod out the front and 2 big wheels to raise and lower the blade. Does that sound like what your looking at??



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Sid

10-11-2004 19:45:20




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 Re: Is it a AC or American Road Machine ? in reply to old, 10-11-2004 18:27:56  
You have one, I don't, so you must know something about them, so I have a question. You call it a Speed Patrol and I have always thought they were called Road Patrol. Are we talking about two different models or Have I just been mistaken. An Inquiring mind wants to know.



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Dav e in La.

10-12-2004 08:11:55




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 Re: Is it a AC or American Road Machine ? in reply to Sid, 10-11-2004 19:45:20  
I'm not sure the name, Tractoring is new to me after 50 years. I bought a fish camp and was taking the neighbor for a ride through the woods looking for places for white perch fishing when we rode by a camp that hasn't had anyone there in at least 5 years. I've been casually looking for a tractor for my camp mainly for bush hogging and stunbled across this sitting in the woods. We decided to take a closer look. We both were confused to what it was. We did agree that this must have been used on these dirt roads for years and maybe it's been deserted like the rest of the camp. Not sure where this will lead. My neighbor says turn and run but I'm an old buff at keeping history alive. To hear this run again would be great. I'm aware the engine would be challanging. The inside of both rear wheels is full of grease or brake fluid, my guess is axle seals. That is not something I'd like to tackle. The appearance is original all the way to the little tool box next to the seat. So do we get the ropes out and start towing or go back to the auctions ?

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old

10-12-2004 10:16:34




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 Re: Is it a AC or American Road Machine ? in reply to Dav e in La., 10-12-2004 08:11:55  
Well if it was me I'd have it out of the woods and by my shop in a heart beat. But I do seem to get my self in to a lot of tractors. If in fact its an Allis the engine won't be very hard to fix and as far as the grease on the inside of the wheels that isn't a big deal, not that hard to fix that type of problem. Drop me an e-mail and if I can help you I will, there aren't many of those old graders around anymore and if you can save one its worth it.

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Dave in La.

10-12-2004 15:12:19




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 Re: Is it a AC or American Road Machine ? in reply to old, 10-12-2004 10:16:34  
not much time, cleaning rainspouts out before dark. I did go to the camp and took my glasses. It is a road grader, AC serial #1E214, can you get the facts from this number? I took pictures today but being developed. I also pushed the crank in on the front and tried to give it a turn. She was pretty tight. I couldn't get it to move. The rear tires are 13.00X20. Yes it has hand brakes so the grease muct be axle seals.
Gotta go outside now. see ya in a short.

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old

10-12-2004 18:22:16




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 Re: Is it a AC or American Road Machine ? in reply to Dave in La., 10-12-2004 15:12:19  
Well if its tight it may still have so hope left in it. Fill the cylinders with tranny fluid PB blaster or some thing like that and walk away for a week or so, then try again if it still doesn't turn then find some turpentine the old gum spirts of turpentine and refill the cylinders and walk again for a day or 2. Bet after that it will give up and turn over for you. Did that with a JD-B that was locked up for 15 years and its a runner now.

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Dave in La.

10-12-2004 18:49:46




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 Re: Is it a AC or American Road Machine ? in reply to old, 10-12-2004 18:22:16  
Am I correct this is a 6 volt system? Starter has a rod to engage the solenoid. What is PB blaster?

I need to decide if I want to attempt to contact the owner. That could be more difficult than getting this to run. Did these things come with a oil pressure gauge mounted to the oil filter adapter? On the hood is also a heat gauge behind the radiator fill cap. Below the steering wheel is a volt gauge. I was told the tires were tubeless, is that correct? Can anyone supply any info related to the serial # 1E214.

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10-12-2004 19:33:32




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 Re: Is it a AC or American Road Machine ? in reply to Dave in La., 10-12-2004 18:49:46  
The gauges are corretct but it came with 24 inch rear tires like on a bigger road grader. If you brought the land and its on the land at least in my state it's your tractor. Drop me an e-mail if you need more info



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Dave in La.

10-13-2004 08:43:21




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 Re: Is it a AC or American Road Machine ? in reply to old, 10-12-2004 19:33:32  
I bought the camp 5 years ago which has changed since then, no more camps are being sold. The land belongs to the state, oil property. I have a life time lease on the land for a $120.00 a year which is several acres on the water. Now theres not many places left, only a few live there year round, several visit weekly as I do and several are abandoned as they were. The tractor is sitting in the lot of one abandoned years ago. The weeds have taken a liking to this thing. Lord knows what other finds exist. Several buidings I haven't even looked inside. They've been locked for years but the doors have rotted around the hinges and locks. Weeds overgrow the buildings.
Don't really care for the bees and snakes to get to snoopy. Leave that for the younger guys.

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old

10-13-2004 11:57:31




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 Re: Is it a AC or American Road Machine ? in reply to Dave in La., 10-13-2004 08:43:21  
Sounds like you may need to find the person who did own it then. As far as the bees and snakes winter is just around the corner.



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old

10-11-2004 21:23:11




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 Re: Is it a AC or American Road Machine ? in reply to Sid, 10-11-2004 19:45:20  
not sure which is right just going by what I was told



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Dave in La.

10-11-2004 19:03:05




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 Re: Is it a AC or American Road Machine ? in reply to old, 10-11-2004 18:27:56  
That sounds exactly like it. I saw a crank out the front but thought that was to adjust the camber on the front wheels. I didn't think this was a starting crank due to the starter motor mounted. Is this a 6 volt or 12 volt system? There also was a lever that I thought was the emergency brake because it was spring loaded like the old school buses had. I also remember 2 long springs running from the blade to the adjustment wheels. One spring for each side. I,m not sure about the seat but I will check the next day or two.
So what's your thoughts if were talking the same piece of equipment. I was impressed to see it with one flat tire and the spark plug wires disconnected. Is this a yard ornament or worth a little time and labor? Please provide any info. such as year or any other interesting facts I may like to know.
Thanks

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10-11-2004 21:32:15




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 Re: Is it a AC or American Road Machine ? in reply to Dave in La., 10-11-2004 19:03:05  
Its somewhere around a 1946. Its probably worth fixing up send me an e-mail and I send you a picture of the one I have



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Chad Caswell

10-11-2004 18:20:22




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 [email protected] in reply to Dave in LOUISIANA, 10-11-2004 17:01:52  
A picture would be great...



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steve(ill)

10-11-2004 19:21:36




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 grader speed patrol in reply to Chad Caswell, 10-11-2004 18:20:22  
third party image

speed patrol



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steve(ill)

10-11-2004 19:23:29




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 Re: grader speed patrol in reply to steve(ill), 10-11-2004 19:21:36  
grader photo



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