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Converting a trip loader to hyraulic

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paul shoup

10-11-2004 10:37:01




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Is it possible to convert a trip loader to hydraulic bucket? How would I do this?




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Karl Wyant

10-20-2004 15:11:42




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 Re: Converting a trip loader to hyraulic in reply to paul shoup, 10-11-2004 10:37:01  
I just bought a WD and a hydraulic bucket would be nice. It currently has a trip bucket. The notes here are good and I've been to the web site listed, but there are still a few points about which I need clarification. I realize that I will need to get a 2-way cylinder and a 2 way valve to run that cylinder, but a plumbing diagram would be useful. Other than adding the new valves, are other changes required to the hydraulic system? I like the idea of using 3 new valves, with 2 being single and the final double. That seems like a good way to do it... safer too, since there should be no loader or drawbar drift. I'm not sure what model of loader I have, I will check, but I assume if it is a different model than described here, I may need to alter the placement of the bucket cylinder.

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Jerry (mo)

10-13-2004 14:28:00




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 Re: Converting a trip loader to hyraulic in reply to paul shoup, 10-11-2004 10:37:01  
I converted mine and it works great. I also put up a website



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Jerry (mo)

10-13-2004 14:30:11




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 Re: Converting a trip loader to hyraulic in reply to Jerry (mo), 10-13-2004 14:28:00  
The link didn't work so I'll try again
www.wd45.mustangserver.com



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JMS/MN

10-13-2004 12:29:30




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 Re: Converting a trip loader to hyraulic in reply to paul shoup, 10-11-2004 10:37:01  
Like John says, it is not difficult-especially if you are dealing with a manure fork and want to run it with two cylinders. Single middle cylinder is harder to set up to get the travel you need. Two cylinders on a fork are easy to mount, easy to figure the position of the mtg brackets when they go on the side of the bucket. Those cylinders need to be two-way, not single acting, so the tractor hydraulics need that capability. You need two valves, usually a single-acting for the boom, always a double-acting for the bucket.

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John (MO)

10-13-2004 08:26:09




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 Re: Converting a trip loader to hyraulic in reply to paul shoup, 10-11-2004 10:37:01  
Converting the loader is not very difficult. You'll need to figure out a mounting point for the cylinder or cylinders, figure how long a stroke you need to move the bucket as far each way as you want it to move. Then weld up some brackets to hold the cylinders on each end. The real trick will be converting the tractor if it doesn't have 2 way hydraulics. If you really have to have a full hydraulic loader, it might be easier to just buy a setup already made. Something like the 400 series AC loaders that had the aux. hydraulic pump and tank right with them. I've used a trip bucket loader quite a bit and for many jobs they work quite well and in my opinion they aren't worth the trouble to convert. If you really really need a full hydraulic loader, go get one made to work that way.

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tim[in]

10-12-2004 03:39:35




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 Re: Converting a trip loader to hyraulic in reply to paul shoup, 10-11-2004 10:37:01  
there was one on this forum where the guy put a decent one together with pics . you might try a search . i book marked it but dont know how to tell anyone to find it. it was on a wd45 .



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Gatz

10-11-2004 11:15:33




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 Re: Converting a trip loader to hyraulic in reply to paul shoup, 10-11-2004 10:37:01  
Paul,
Without specifics, it's hard to give a good answer.
I plan on doing the same thing, but it's going to be quite a while b/4 I get to it.
When I bought the D17 ser IV, it had a Model 180 Trip Bucket loader.
I've been restoring the D17 and was able to get another remote valve for the "stack" so that a 2-way cylinder could be used on the bucket. I've yet to get the lines that fit between it and the quick-disconnect at the rear tho'.....may have to make some up. Then, when we mount the loader, we'll use the quick-disonnects at the rear.
To do a conversion, you're going to need another valve to run the 2-way cylinder on the bucket.
A lot depends on what you're using for the tractor and how it's hydraulic system is set up. It may neccesitate a different valve than you have now.
In the lowered postion, the bucket should not have to come up much above level; perhaps 5-10 degrees or so....but obviously, you can make it more.
But, when the load is raised, the bucket has to swivel quite a ways forward to dump.
It'd be best to run the loader through this cycle now and see where the tilt-back and dump extremes should be. Then carefully look at how a 2-way cylinder would mount on the framework.
(I plan on using a length of heavy-walled rectangular tubing across the top rear of the bucket for one clevis attachment point. This will also strengthen the bucket. The other point I've yet to determine.)
Figure out the stroke req'd and buy a cylinder with sufficient capacity to do the work.
There are many companies that sell ag-type cylinders; one of which is Surplus Center in Lincoln, NE. They can answer questions about what type of valves will work, too.
Here's a link to them...

Gatz

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old

10-11-2004 11:08:27




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 Re: Converting a trip loader to hyraulic in reply to paul shoup, 10-11-2004 10:37:01  
Yes it is but it can be a night mare. Most people do a cobble job when they do so it works but looks like %&*(. Did one this summer with 2 cylinders but it took a week just to get them to work togeather like they should have. Starting on another one now useing 1 cylinder but it is going to be fun also may end up useing a bar that goes from the cylinder to the bucket to get it to dump as far as I want it to.

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