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L-Train

08-04-2004 17:48:42




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Just got an A-C C with a 60" mower. Worked fine right away but got a little warm under load (mowing). It never got close to burying the needle but it began to smoke & loose power. So I shut it off right away. Went to pull it into the shed to work on it the next day & by the time I got to the garage it began to screech like metal on metal. I noticed smoke coming from the head. So I tightened the nuts down & it seemed to bandaid that. I am definitely a novice when it comes to engines, but I would really like to understand the problem before taking it to a mechanic.
It doesn"t start making any noise until about 20-30 seconds of running. Is there an easy way to check if oil is flowing properly? The oil level is fine. How hot does a tractor have to get before it causes damage?

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allisdan

08-17-2004 14:07:24




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 Re: screeching engine? in reply to L-Train, 08-04-2004 17:48:42  
I would suspect the water pump. If it was smoking particularly if the smoke was white you make have a leaking head gasket.



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John R. Alcorn

08-15-2004 22:40:22




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 Re: screeching engine? in reply to L-Train, 08-04-2004 17:48:42  
I wouldn't start taking the engine apart untill I checked every thing else out, a piston would make a knocking noise not a screech.



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Dave K

08-07-2004 09:36:39




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 Re: screeching engine? in reply to L-Train, 08-04-2004 17:48:42  
Did you have good oil pressure all the time? Be certain the fan is not contacting the radiator or fan shroud (if it has one). Also I would look for a seized water pump or generator which would cause the drive belt to smoke and screech. My experiance with engines is they usually knock,or slowly sieze up not screech. You may have a bad water pump or generator bearing or fan blades rubbing somewhere. I would also pull the valve cover and see if oil is getting up there, although I am not sure lack of oil would make it screech. Dave

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Gene

08-05-2004 22:31:35




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 Re: screeching engine? in reply to L-Train, 08-04-2004 17:48:42  
Second thoughts. Pull belts from all of the belt driven equipment on the front of the engine; water pump, alternator/generator, etc..

My revised first thought is that the water pump gave out. Usually leaks, but the impeller may be grinding on the block or water pump casting causing the screech. Grab the fan and shove it into the engine and turn, then pull out and turn. If you can feel any grinding it needs to be replaced.

Drain out the antifreeze, replace with plain water. Let set for a while. Check for external leaks. No external leaks, wait 24 hours and check the water level again. If the water level drops you have a crack somewhere in the head or block.

If the water pump is bad I would check for resistance via my first suggestion, turn the engine over by hand with the spark plugs out. No unusual resistance, replace the water pump and give the engine another try.

No unusual resistance when turning the engine over by hand. Leave the spark plugs out and use the starter to crank the engine or 20 or 30 seconds. Check the oil pressure gauge while cranking. You want to see the oil pressure gauge needle move up - good sign - the engine didn't loose oil pressure.

I'm surprised someone else hasn't jumped in with suggestions on this problem.

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Gene

08-05-2004 12:08:00




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 Re: screeching engine? in reply to L-Train, 08-04-2004 17:48:42  
The metal to metal screeching noise worries me. I wouldn't run the engine any more until I found out the problem.

What was the oil pressure just before you shut off the engine the first time?

How hot the engine has to be before it's ruined? If the coolent wasn't boiling that's probably not the problem. However, you can have an overheated cylinder and still not get the total coolent temperature above boiling.

First thing I'd do is remove the spark plugs, squirt some oil on the top of each piston then see how difficult it is turn the motor over with the hand crank. No hand crank - jack up one rear wheel, tractor in high gear, turn the rear wheel by hand. This should tell you if you have a seized/seizing piston.

I would pull the head and pan. Remove the rod caps and pull each piston - check for scoring. I'd also main bearing caps. Then pull and check the oil pump.

Where to go from here depends on you mechanical ability and experience.

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