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Model C - Axle Seal Installation

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Wilson

07-10-2004 10:50:11




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Please post your comments/recommendations (based on experience) on installing the rear axle seal.

Know methods:

Method 1 (Brut Force):
Install cup, cone, and seal into housing.
Install axle.
Note: this requires pressing or beating the axle into place.

Method 2 (Allis Manual):
Install cup into housing.
Install seal and cone onto axle.
Use a split spacer outboard of seal to hold the seal tight against the cone.
Install axle.
Remove spacer.

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steve

07-11-2004 18:32:57




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 Re: Model C - Axle Seal Installation in reply to Wilson, 07-10-2004 10:50:11  
i know what you mean. the book is for installing the old leather seal. the guys are right that the new llip seals are quite a bit harder to install correctly, so yes, i would install the bearing in the housing and then tap the seal in position and seat it correctly. i would then press the axle shaft thru the seal and into the bearing inner race. if you need a brass punch o.k., but using a hydraulic press gently is a good plan.

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RDP

07-10-2004 19:52:43




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 Re: Model C - Axle Seal Installation in reply to Wilson, 07-10-2004 10:50:11  
On the model C assemble oil seal on final drive gear shaft with lip of seal turned towards the inner end of shaft. Start shaft in to place and enter shaft into gear,placing lock washer and nut on shaft. Push shaft through and start nut. Oil seal must now be started and driven in as nut is tightened. If a special split oil seal driver is available the shaft and seal may be driven in.



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Wilson

07-10-2004 20:44:40




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 Re: Re: Model C - Axle Seal Installation in reply to RDP, 07-10-2004 19:52:43  

RDP,

Using your method, does the bearing/cone get pressed on the axle first and then the axle (with seal and bearing installed?



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RDP

07-13-2004 10:43:36




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 Re: Re: Re: Model C - Axle Seal Installation in reply to Wilson, 07-10-2004 20:44:40  
Been very busy an no time for the computer, bearing does get pressed on first



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JMS/MN

07-10-2004 19:25:40




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 Re: Model C - Axle Seal Installation in reply to Wilson, 07-10-2004 10:50:11  
Brute force method is generally a bad idea. Success is due to luck. First of all, determine that you have the right seal. Some generics are close, but if not exact, any slight deviation in correct lineup will bend the seal. Exact sizes are tough enough to replace. Without the proper driver slugs, use sockets as close to proper diameter as possible, and after starting the seal in place with light taps, square the proper socket against the face of the seal and tap it into place. Sometimes a vice or C-clamp is a good thing to use. Gentle pressure beats whacking any time.

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Wilson

07-10-2004 20:48:46




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 Re: Re: Model C - Axle Seal Installation in reply to JMS/MN, 07-10-2004 19:25:40  
JMS/MN,

Have you ever removed and replaced the axle on a C?

It is impossible to drive the seal in with a socket unless one uses the brute force method (which I would prefer not to).



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JMS/MN

07-10-2004 22:22:04




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 Re: Re: Re: Model C - Axle Seal Installation in reply to Wilson, 07-10-2004 20:48:46  
C,no, WD,yes. My advice was for any seal- brute force usually results in damage to the seal. It all depends on how you approach the project- if you are just a bit off from perfect alignment- you will damage the seal. Last spring I messed up a front main cover seal on a WD by being too agressive while pounding it in- so the second one I pushed in with a vice. With a rear axle seal like you are talking about, it doesn't fit in a vice, so extra care is advised. Lightly tap it in to get it started, then you can push harder. If you install generic seals that don't match originals, those few thousanths of an inch make a difference.

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