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Need info on C muffler and manifold

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jal-SD

04-05-2004 09:36:13




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I'm new to AC's although we had a '47 C when I was a kid. As I remember, it had an oval shaped muffler that went under the hood w/short pipe up through the hood. My brother bought another '47 (for old times sake) with a muffler thats above the hood & a long pipe that fits inside the manifold. (Looks like its probably an after market deal, although the inlet pipe has a hole in it for the bolt thats through the manifold.) Our problem is that every time it rains, we get water into the oil & have to pull the tractor to get it started. Water will blow out the manifold for a bit before it will run. The only place that we can see that water might be getting into the engine is along side the muffler's inlet pipe. We cover the pipe, but it still gets water into the oil. We do not see any way to put a muffler on that will go over the manifold-there isn't enough of a flange on the manifold to clamp a muffler to it. Do they still make the old style muffler that went under the hood? I think this would solve our problem, but we haven't been able to find one. Or are there any other suggestions as to how to solve this problem? (My $0.02 worth. jal-SD)

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Rod (NH)

04-05-2004 17:09:15




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 Re: Need info on C muffler and manifold in reply to jal-SD, 04-05-2004 09:36:13  
Hi Jal,

Yes, you can still get that original underhood muffler. I just put one on my '42B. If you get the good ones that fit w/o any problem (it's real tight under the hood) it will be an OEM Nelson and they are pricey at around $100+ at an AGCO dealer. I have used a cheap, through-the-hood Stanley for a number of years and have had the same water problem you mention, even with a working rain cap. I have read about a couple of different ways to try and avoid it: 1) mount some kind of shield tight around the portion of stack under the hood that would deflect any water away from the joint between stack and manifold and 2) thread a pipe thread into the manifold, install a stub and fit a muffler stack over the stub. Number 2 would require expanding the size of the standard muffler stack to fit or some other size adaptation. I also understand that there is an original style through-the-hood muffler that fits down close to that joint and shields it. That style also attaches to the manifold with two bolts rather than one, assuming you have the manifold to accept it. I believe it is a later OEM design for the B and C. I have only seen pictures of this design (the one in the current parts book).

I decided to go back to the original under hood muffler for two reasons: 1) the water problem you mention and 2) I do a lot of mowing with by B. Along edges of my fields there are lots of low hanging limbs that constantly catch on the high through-the-hood muffler style.

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Dave R (MN)

04-05-2004 18:51:14




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 Re: Re: Need info on C muffler and manifold in reply to Rod (NH), 04-05-2004 17:09:15  
Rod, have you had any trouble with heat from the underhood muffler burning or blistering the paint on your hood. If so, what do you do about it?



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Rod (NH)

04-05-2004 21:12:45




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 Re: Re: Re: Need info on C muffler and manifold in reply to Dave R (MN), 04-05-2004 18:51:14  
Hi Dave,

When we used to have the original under hood muffler on a long time ago, I can't remember if the paint got burned or not. Not sure I was interested way back then either :o). A couple of years ago I painted my hood after many years of it having absolutely no paint at all. Before I decided to go back to the original muffler, I happened to run across a post on this board (or the other one), from Butch (OH) I think, that talked about burning the paint and provided some advice to use an adhesive heat shield on the underside of the hood to prevent it.

I thought that was an excellent idea (even if only as a precaution) so I got some heat insulation from Eastwood Company. It installed nicely on the hood. It has an extremely good adhesive. You can't relocate it once it's down without destroying it (and maybe the hood too). I haven't used the tractor enough yet to evaluate the results but I am quite sure there will be no burning of any paint with this stuff in place, no matter how hard I work the B. I didn't do the whole hood. Just in the area of the muffler and a few inches around it.

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Dave R (MN

04-06-2004 19:58:13




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Need info on C muffler and manifol in reply to Rod (NH), 04-05-2004 21:12:45  
Thanks Rod, That's what I was hoping to hear. I insulated mine with a reflective insulation I got from Jegs high performance. I started it up and ran it for 1/2 an hour or so and the hood felt cool with the temp at 120 degrees. I wanted to get the engine warmer to seat the rings as I just put new sleeves and pistons in so like an idiot I put plastic in front of the radiator and when the temp got to 175 the paint blistered all over the hood. Darn near enough to make a grown man cry as I already repainted the hood once because when I got done the first time, I decided to weld in a smaller hole and go with the underhood muffler for origianality. I don,t think the hood will get that hot again even whith the engine up to temp as long as there is air flow under the hood. Just wanted to be reassured by someone who has one before I do it again. I'm running out of paint. Thanks and sorry for the long post.

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