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AC D17

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Bud Schaefer

03-29-2004 05:04:34




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Hello Tractor guys I just got my first one Sat.Now I need your help,because I don't know a lot about them.My wife got it at a auction I was at work.She paid $3300.is that to much,it has a trip bucket loader and three point hitch plus a draw bar.We don't know the year but serial # is d17 2433.I'm excited to have it I would like to fix some of the gauges that don't work if I can find them some place.Iwill thank you for any help on this D17--The new guy.

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Don Dittmar

03-30-2004 05:10:19




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 Re: AC D17 in reply to Bud Schaefer, 03-29-2004 05:04:34  
tonystractors dot com also has 3pt conversions avaliable at a good price. If I were you, I would get the snap-coupler one. You have to remove your draw bar, but it is alot better quality 3pt hitch.



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Don Dittmar

03-29-2004 05:29:56




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 Re: AC D17 in reply to Bud Schaefer, 03-29-2004 05:04:34  
Bud,
You more than likley have a series one D17 built in 1957 or 1958. The 3 point may be aftermarket as I dont think they made the early models with 3 point hitch. Allis did make a conversion 3pt, but had to remove the drawbar and the 3 pt fit into the snap-coupler under the tractor. The price you paid sounds close, especially if the tin is straight. The only thing bad about the older 17's was the fact that the hydraulics were not live and they high pressure low volumn. The series IV had the hydraulic pump driven off the belt drive and it was low pressure high volumn.As for the gauges, email me and I will give you a few web sites as to where you can get reproduction gauges. The WD45, D17 and the hundered series tractors all had the basic 226CI engine. If there is anything else I can help you with, let me know
Don

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Max

03-29-2004 15:34:31




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 Re: Re: AC D17 in reply to Don Dittmar, 03-29-2004 05:29:56  
Don
I too am looking for a temp gauge for a 1959 D-14.



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JMS/MN

03-29-2004 08:02:21




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 Re: Re: AC D17 in reply to Don Dittmar, 03-29-2004 05:29:56  
The D17 does have live hydraulics. The hydraulics and the pto are live when using the Power Director lever.



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Bud S.

03-29-2004 06:54:24




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 Re: Re: AC D17 in reply to Don Dittmar, 03-29-2004 05:29:56  
Don thanks for your reply.The tin is very good.There is a dent by the gas tank but the rest doesn't even have rust on it.The part I call the draw bar is under the pto and is a square hole with bar coming out with about four holes in it.



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Don Dittmar

03-30-2004 04:56:57




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 Re: Re: Re: AC D17 in reply to Bud S. , 03-29-2004 06:54:24  
Go to tonystractors dot com for the gauges and other parts. Also call Harry Dubach at 260-589-8222 for repo gauges. I have not dealt with either, but here both are good. I think you have got a deal on this D17. It can be very difficult to find a tractor with 100% tin, so I have quit looking. If it can by bumped back out or repaired, than go with it. My uncle has a series I D17, and it is a good tractor. The fact that you have live pto and a good hydraulic system on it worth your while. In fact, once you get used to the tractor I think you will be very pleased. The part you are calling the drawbar is correct, and being this is a series IV tractor, the 3 pt is factory as the snap coupler hitch was not offered on that tractor. I hope all of this helps, if there is anything else I can do just let me know. Always glad to help an AC guy.

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pj

03-31-2004 04:46:20




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: AC D17 in reply to Don Dittmar, 03-30-2004 04:56:57  
That serial # is not a series 4.And series 4 did come with snap couple from the factory.That serial # will be an early model tractor.Show us some pics.



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Bud S..

03-30-2004 09:44:33




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: AC D17 in reply to Don Dittmar, 03-30-2004 04:56:57  
Don:Your my go to guy.What does the traction booster do and when would I use it.Also the loader is single stage can this tractor be changed to a two stage loader sometime later?The one that is on it only has one line running to the bottom of each cylinder so I'm thinking single stage.Thanks for all your help,I drove it in four high down the road last night and the front wheels started to wobble.Bad tie rod ends maybe?Thanks again The new guy--BUD S.

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Don Dittmar

03-31-2004 09:44:20




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: AC D17 in reply to Bud S.., 03-30-2004 09:44:33  
Yeah, your front end problem could be a number of things. Have someone sit on the tractor and wiggle the steering wheel back and forth and watch the tie rod ends as they do. Next jack the front up and stck a bar under the front tire and watch for movement. When you do this you are checking spindle bushings. Next check the u-joints in the steer shaft and see if you have excess play here also.



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Bud S.

03-31-2004 11:41:56




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: AC D17 in reply to Don Dittmar, 03-31-2004 09:44:20  
Thanks Don I will try that this weekend.



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Don Dittmar

03-31-2004 05:26:35




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: AC D17 in reply to Bud S.., 03-30-2004 09:44:33  
Traction booster works much like the draft control on a 3 point hitch. IT would be used if you had a pull type implement hooked to the snap-coupler hitch that is under the tractor. The hitch under the tractor is hooked to a big spring which is also hooked to the tracton booster valve. As draft load increases, oil flows to the lift cylinder, raising the implement. if draft load decrases the valve reverses, alowing the implement to go deeper into the ground. I have a schematic of this system, and if you would like to see it I can fax or mail it to you. This system only works when you have a snap coupler implement, or when you r using the a 3pt implement with the 3pt adapter. All our D series tractors had traction booster and snap coupler, but we never had any AC implements. Being you have a series I, I would hook a seperate pump to the front of the engine with seperate tank and valve.The hydraulic system on these older tractors were not set up for efficient loader operation, plus if you hooke to the front of the engine you will have true live hydraulic power. Sorry if I mislead you on the last message. PJ was right, had to look in my AC book to be sure. Keep me posted.
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