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B Model Trailer Hitch

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Jack M

03-27-2004 21:04:34




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I'm thinking I'd like to hang a trailer hitch on the front of my wide front B ... to use it to launch and retrieve my 3500 lb trailer boat. I haven't thought a good bit about it, but it seems like the place to install a ball mounting bracket is on the front axle mount.

Anyone done this? Anyone have comment?




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D13

03-30-2004 16:49:27




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 Re: B Model Trailer Hitch in reply to Jack M, 03-27-2004 21:04:34  
I'm not sure why everyone has the urge to hange all the weight on the poor little front end of a B. I've yet to see one with anything on the front that didn't need spindle bushings.

Now that I've vented, I've seen two ways to do this. First, use the front engine mounting studs. Put a 1/4" plate on the engine studs that hold the front axle mount, running it straight down to the hitch pipe. Then run stabilizers back to the the mounting pads on the side of the torque tube.

The other way is to weld a set of mounting ears to the axle. If set up correctly you can hange a front blade off these too, and they make great tie down points for hauling too. It still works best to run stabilizers rearward.

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jack m

03-30-2004 19:13:30




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 Re: Re: B Model Trailer Hitch in reply to D13, 03-30-2004 16:49:27  
Thanks for thoughtful and informative note, D13.

>>I'm not sure why everyone has the urge to hange all the weight on the poor little front end of a B.<<

Dunno about others who've done it, but my wish to do so is based in one fact: the brakes of a B work better when the tractor is in forward motion.

As far as the spindle problem you describe, the trailer I'll put on the forward hitch is a tandem axle and I have adjusted it for nearly zero tongue weight.

>>I've seen two ways to do this. First, use the front engine mounting studs. .... <<

Your first solution described is the one I have in mind. I have weight on this B so the bracket used at the rear of the block to stablize the load be a bit less than straightforward but the job will be fun and I'm sure it can be executed to look great.

If this doesn't work, I'm gonna put disk brakes on the tractor. I'm half wishing the front hitch mount won't do the job because I think the disk brake job and result will be a gas.

>>The other way is to weld a set of mounting ears to the axle<<

Even if I wanted to deal with steering the tractor with the hitch mounted to the axle, I'm more than leery of asking the 65 year old metalurgy and material to do well with the side loading that can be imposed by pushing around a 3500 pound trailer, particularly a tandem axle.

One of my teeth, age sixty five, fell out tonight as I was eating ice cream. Can I expect that fragile looking, nearly ancient axle to do any better than my well used teeth?

Thanks for the note, D13, I'm eager to know what else you have to say on the subject .... or others you may think are worthy.

By the way, I've just ordered a manifold having decided to: at least bend up a two pipe custom exhaust that exits downward under the hood ... to end forever the water in the manifold problem and possibly to split the manifold to get a delicious sound. You ever seen such a setup?

my best ..... .....

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wdTom

03-28-2004 17:00:15




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 Re: B Model Trailer Hitch in reply to Jack M, 03-27-2004 21:04:34  
If the boat ramp is steep I wouldn't want to count on backing a B up with a 3500# plus trailer load. The wheels will turn but you might not go. Maybe with the tongue weight on the back it might if you have some good traction for the rear wheels. Again, in first, the whells will turn, but you might not go. And you might need some front end weight.



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Jack M

03-28-2004 20:11:29




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 Re: Re: B Model Trailer Hitch in reply to wdTom, 03-28-2004 17:00:15  
Thanks for the reply, Tom. I have weight on both the rear wheels and the front of the B.

Problem with the trailer on the rear is that B (band) brakes were installed with an inherently better ability to stop forward motion.

Backing the B down with the boat hooked up is an excercise that strikes fear in the heart of this man.



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JMS/MN

03-28-2004 20:54:35




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 Re: Re: Re: B Model Trailer Hitch in reply to Jack M, 03-28-2004 20:11:29  
Put a ball hitch on each end of the tractor.



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Jack M

03-28-2004 21:11:22




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: B Model Trailer Hitch in reply to JMS/MN, 03-28-2004 20:54:35  
Welllll , that was my question in the original post. Have you ever seen a ball on the front of a wide front B?

If so, how/where was it mounted?

thanks for the reply, JMS



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JMS/MN

03-29-2004 10:55:13




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: B Model Trailer Hitch in reply to Jack M, 03-28-2004 21:11:22  
Never saw one, but this is what I would do. With 2 inch square tube,(1/4 inch wall) ends cut at an angle to match the wide front arch, weld 1/4 by 2 flat ears on each end to clamp it to the arch (horizontally) at an appropriate height. If the arch is not two inches thick, you could run the tube past each arch and use a u-bolt clamp around both members. For a drawbar, use 3/4 by 3 flat stock, welded or bolted to the square tube, and run it back to the rear of the wishbone, under the engine. If you can't bolt it there, clamp it to each wishbone arm. Regardiing the brakes- they should be just as effective in forward or reverse. It would be easier to launch the boat with the front hjitch and retrieve it with the rear one. A front hitch is handy for many things, no matter what the tractor size.

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Jack M

03-29-2004 14:48:54




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: B Model Trailer Hitch in reply to JMS/MN, 03-29-2004 10:55:13  
Thank you for the very complete thought and the time you took to put it down and send it along. I appreciate your effort and the good ideas.

jack m



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JMS/MN

03-29-2004 23:16:22




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: B Model Trailer Hitch in reply to Jack M, 03-29-2004 14:48:54  
You are very welcome! Always fun to come up with ideas to make the tractors more useful.



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JMS/MN

03-29-2004 11:15:33




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: B Model Trailer Hitch in reply to JMS/MN, 03-29-2004 10:55:13  
Another idea- if you don't want a drawbar sticking out much beyond the radiator- use square tubing on (or for) the drawbar, and put a receiver hitch in it when you need to launch.



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