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WD45 apart - can I seal the gas tank? Can I paint

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Vic Lovejoy

03-23-2004 13:05:37




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Well I have the manifold, carb, and gas tank off the WD45. Waiting for the parts - manifold gaksets and carb rebuild kit.

I think I've heard or read about a gas tank sealer product that you slosh around after cleaning the tank out... I know there is a lot of rust in my gas tank and I have removed it for cleaning. Has anyone used the product? Do they sell it at the NAPA or Autozone?

Also, I think there's some kind of stove paint or something that withstands high temperatures... is there a manifold paint and primer? I have the manifold off and ran a wire wheel over it a few times to see what it looked like. Didn't get it down to bare metal but close. Can I paint the manifold so it doesn't rust again? Just curious.

I'm still trying to figure out what to do about the manifold stud with the threads gone from the end. I've heard horror stories about breaking studs off in the block, pulling the threads out of the block, etc. I'll have to wait and see if I can get a nut started on the threads.

Something odd happened while I was taking a load of junk to the dump. I was getting ready to pitch a box into the dumpster when the bottom fell out. Among the junk that fell out were a bunch of bolts and washers with orange paint on them - hmmm must be from the tractor - and a little plastic bag with Agco Allis on the outside. It was a bag of manifold studs. They were kind of rusty but cleaned up good. I didn't even know I had them - they must have been in the tool box of the tractor when I got it. Wierd. But, in any case, I have a bag of brand new studs in case I need them.

Now when the parts get here I'll put it all back together and crank it over to see what happens. Wish me luck.

vic

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Glenn in PA

03-26-2004 06:05:15




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 Re: WD45 apart - can I seal the gas tank? Can I p in reply to Vic Lovejoy, 03-23-2004 13:05:37  
POr 15 has my vote. They sell what is called a "motorcycle kit" that will easily handle a AC gas tank. It includes a degreaser, rust remover and metal prep, along with the epoxy.

The key to success is to do very careful prep. Use a pound of roofing nails with a gallon or two of water, and slosh around for a day or two changing the water till it is clear. Make sure you hit every internal surface of the tank. Pinholes will show up if you have them. I used electrical tape, once I was at the epoxy stage, over each pinhole, to get a consistent coating on the inside. Again, make sure all loose rust is gone, then degrease well. Too much is better than not enough. That is one of the reasons some jobs fail. Use the metal prep (phosphoric acid) to convert any remaining flash rust. Again, longer is better than too little. You can't hurry this job. After 96 hours (or more) of cure time, I used JB Weld on the outside of the tank to fill the pinhole divots. A body file smoothed it out for primer and paint.

If you take your time, and follow all the directions, you will have a job that is indestructable. Shortcut, and you are asking for a big mess later.

Been there, done that........

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Ken Milenko

03-25-2004 22:10:10




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 Re: WD45 apart - can I seal the gas tank? Can I p in reply to Vic Lovejoy, 03-23-2004 13:05:37  
You're gas tank most likely is unrepairable due to rust. You can fix it up with fibreglass but it's very temporary. I have a tank from a WD45D that would fit fine. Holds fuel quite well and looks good.
Wanna make me an offer?
Ken:)



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Gary

03-24-2004 18:57:31




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 Re: WD45 apart - can I seal the gas tank? Can I p in reply to Vic Lovejoy, 03-23-2004 13:05:37  
About the studs. I always cut them off about half of an inch from the engine head. Slide the next biggest nut you can fit over the stud and weld stud to nut with the hottest weld it can take. Now the fun part. Go to the fridge and get a beer or two and drink them while it cools. This is a must to let cool down completly! After you belch 3 times and have a sandwich and another beer, take a socket and turn the whole thing out. It has something to do with shrinking the stud in the block as it cools. I have never had a problem unless I rush the cooling step. [ran out of beer].

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Johnski

03-24-2004 13:42:09




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 Re: WD45 apart - can I seal the gas tank? Can I p in reply to Vic Lovejoy, 03-23-2004 13:05:37  
Check with a motorcycle shop. I did the tank on my bike 10 years ago and it is still fine. The product comes in a 3 part kit,a cleaner,a neutralizer rinse and the sealer. I believe it was called Kreem seal or Kreme seal. Follow the directions and it will work great. ;)



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Mark

03-24-2004 11:44:27




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 Re: WD45 apart - can I seal the gas tank? Can I p in reply to Vic Lovejoy, 03-23-2004 13:05:37  
POL 15. On the web. Costs $19 per quart and 2 quarts will do a nice job on the bottom of a 13 gallon tank. They have a non flammable cleaner also that you need to use before the sealer. Follow the directions, except I chose to make the coating about 1/4" thick rather than the slosh around and pour out. I wanted some vib. dampening.

To each his own, but I really like the job this product did on my tank and much cheaper (and fits better) than a new one.

Mark

Check the Ford or 8N board as recently there has been a lot of discussion and answers posted.

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Kevin Kostiuk

03-23-2004 19:31:12




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 Re: WD45 apart - can I seal the gas tank? Can I p in reply to Vic Lovejoy, 03-23-2004 13:05:37  
There is a high temp paint called VHT. I can't remember where I got it but I think it was AutoZone or someplace like that. Look for it because it's worth it. It is far better than any other high temp paint I've ever used. I've got it on a set of headers and it is holding up great.



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Rod (NH)

03-23-2004 19:17:34




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 Re: WD45 apart - can I seal the gas tank? Can I p in reply to Vic Lovejoy, 03-23-2004 13:05:37  
Hi Vic,

Epoxy Gas Tank Sealer works great. I did the tank on my B a couple of years ago with it. It provides a nice, heavy coating that will also seal up any pin holes.

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Larry in Pa

03-23-2004 18:38:33




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 Re: WD45 apart - can I seal the gas tank? Can I p in reply to Vic Lovejoy, 03-23-2004 13:05:37  
Sealed a gas tank on a F-20 3 years ago, no trouble yet.



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wdTom

03-23-2004 18:23:35




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 Re: WD45 apart - can I seal the gas tank? Can I p in reply to Vic Lovejoy, 03-23-2004 13:05:37  
If you break off the stud while the head is off the engine find someone with a verticle milling machine. Drill a hole down the broken off stud. Inlarge it with a endmill. Raise the endmill, move the table with the head on it a few thousands in some direction and run the mill down the hole. Keep diong this until you can just see the line of the rusty threads going down into the hole. Now with a pick get the top of the thread moving, grab it with a pair of plyers and if you are lucky you can pull the old thread out in one piece, like pulling a spring out of a hole it was stuck in.

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JF

03-23-2004 15:34:13




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 Re: WD45 apart - can I seal the gas tank? Can I p in reply to Vic Lovejoy, 03-23-2004 13:05:37  
www.eastwoodco.com
And search fuel,they have a sealer that works real good.



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David (IA)

03-23-2004 14:41:34




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 Re: WD45 apart - can I seal the gas tank? Can I p in reply to Vic Lovejoy, 03-23-2004 13:05:37  
The sealer in the gas tank is a BAD idea. Think about it this way, it will work initially but what happens in a short time is the gasoline will find a flaw and work it's way between the sealer and the gas tank. Lifting the sealer loose now you have a balloon of varying thickness in the tank ready to plug your sediment bulb at every try.
I replaced the studs on my WD45 I had to heat the head at the base area of the stud with a torch and then slowly remove each stud. If you happen to break one center punch the old stud as close to the center as possible and drill it out in stages with the final stage clean up with a tap.
Don't forget the studs go directly in to the coolant passages so you need to drain some coolant before you begin removing the studs. When you get ready to install the new studs put anti seize on the threads it will make removal the next time easier and act as a sealer too.
They make paint that will with stand 1200 degrees of heat but the paint has to be baked on after the application. And there is a new process that works really well it is called "powder coating", Harley riders are puting it on their exhaust pipes now, it looks real good and it last a long time.

Any questions drop me a note.

David from Iowa

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