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Eric in VA

03-16-2004 19:25:03




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Hello,

I currently own a 1943 Allis C. It has a Fairbanks Moarse magneto with electric start. It is timed and it does run right but the governor holds the tractor wide open. I can play with the governor linkages but as soon as I let go of them, the tractor revs up again. It doesn't matter where the throttle is at. Im not familiar with governors and I was wondering what the problem could be? Any help would be great!
THANKS
ERIC

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gene [in]

03-17-2004 14:21:07




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 Re: fast running C in reply to Eric in VA, 03-16-2004 19:25:03  
it sounds like the linkage to carb has been put on upside down.



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Eric in VA

03-17-2004 16:37:51




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 Re: Re: fast running C in reply to gene [in], 03-17-2004 14:21:07  
Gene,
I do have the linkage to the carb hooked up right. Im not exactly sure how you can get it upside down without binding? Thanks for your help!

ERIC



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gene[in]

03-18-2004 15:05:35




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 Re: Re: Re: fast running C in reply to Eric in VA, 03-17-2004 16:37:51  
you can if the throttle plate in the throttle body was removed and reinstalled with the throttle shaft turned 180 degrees.that is on some carbs.does it have the proper governor spring on the outside of the governor houseing? iam just trying to help.



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Eric in VA

03-18-2004 17:09:32




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: fast running C in reply to gene[in], 03-18-2004 15:05:35  
Gene,
I didn't remove the throttle plate in the throttle body. It might have been removed before. How can you tell if it is the wrong way? It does have the proper governor spring. It could be a combonation of things wrong with it. Its funny how my grandads 1939 Allis B has been problem free except for an oil pump change. Ive spent a lot of time just trying to get the battery to charge on the C , I do have it fixed now. Thank you so much for your help! Get back to me about the throttle plate.
ERIC

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gene[in]

03-18-2004 17:58:40




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: fast running C in reply to Eric in VA, 03-18-2004 17:09:32  
with the carb together, the throttel lever [the part that the governor rod hooks into] should be pointing up or at 10 oclock with the throttle plate closed. with the engine running the govenor rod will want to pull forward and open the plate to let the engine run at the speed you want.



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Eric in VA

03-19-2004 12:24:17




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: fast running C in reply to gene[in], 03-18-2004 17:58:40  
Gene,
The throttle plate is on right. I will tear into the governor next. Thanks for your help!
ERIC



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Dick L Hey gene !!!!!

03-18-2004 16:46:08




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: fast running C in reply to gene[in], 03-18-2004 15:05:35  
Your Right!! I did that a long time ago and that is exactly what happened. I think I was swapping parts and didn't check the leaver direction untill I started the tractor.



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Dick L Coupla Questions

03-17-2004 10:18:19




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 Re: fast running C in reply to Eric in VA, 03-16-2004 19:25:03  
Did the tractor run properly before you worked on it? Did you change the governer cover? Did you try adjusting the throttle rod at the trhottle lever up by the stearing wheel?

I have had that type of problem when replacing the governer cover with one from a different tractor. The crossover some times has a slightly different bend to it which will not allow the governer to operate correctly. If this is the problem you should be able to loosen the setscrew at the throttle leaver and adjust the rod to where the engine will idle. Then when you give it a coupla notches of throttle it will run wide open.

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Eric in VA

03-17-2004 12:04:28




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 Re: Re: fast running C in reply to Dick L Coupla Questions, 03-17-2004 10:18:19  
Dick,
Im guessing that the tractor ran fine. It last ran in the early 60s before I got it. I thought at first that it might be the setscrew on the throttle but that don't seem to be the problem. I think that it might be the weights. Thank you for your help.

eRIC



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Jim Danforth

03-17-2004 07:39:06




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 Re: fast running C in reply to Eric in VA, 03-16-2004 19:25:03  
Eric, Bob (Okieboy) is right. Take the time to verify the weights. If they are good, go from there.
JimD



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Okieboy

03-17-2004 06:19:26




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 Re: fast running C in reply to Eric in VA, 03-16-2004 19:25:03  
Sounds to me like the govenor weights are broken, ya better pull the govenor apart and see. Dont run it any longer because a piece of the weight could go between the cam gear and crank gear. If it does ya got major problems. If the weights are broken be sure to find all the pieces. Bob



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Eric in VA

03-17-2004 12:00:07




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 Re: Re: fast running C in reply to Okieboy, 03-17-2004 06:19:26  
Okieboy,
I was kind of thinking of the same thing. The weights might be broken. If they are then I do have another assembly from a B that I can put on. Thank you very much for your help.

ERIC



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jimg

03-17-2004 06:17:49




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 Re: fast running C in reply to Eric in VA, 03-16-2004 19:25:03  

I need to find a different AGCO dealer. Mine charged me $23 for the anti surge spring for my CA, or is there that much difference?



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Eric in VA

03-17-2004 11:56:16




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 Re: Re: fast running C in reply to Jim Danforth, 03-17-2004 05:13:25  
Jim,

I know what anti-surge spring your talking about. I do have one on there already. I didn't in the begining when restoring the tractor. Thanks for the help.

ERIC



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