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Dennis Knutson

03-10-2004 06:25:25




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I have a 1953 WD 45. Since I put the Hydraulic pump back on, the implement will not lower.
It will go up as soon as the tractor starts.
I have checked out the hold position valve on the top and it seems to be moving the ball off the seat. What else can I do? Thanks, Dennis




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David_T (MO)

03-10-2004 12:14:32




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 Re: Hydraulic Pump in reply to Dennis Knutson, 03-10-2004 06:25:25  
The pump can be set for all sorts of jobs so be sure that it is set up correctly for the job you need to do. There should be a decal on the battery box just above the pump that shows you how to set the pump up. The pump has four manual adjustment knobs. The most commonly used set up for me is the hold position setting. With this setting the control is normally in the middle of the quadrant. Moving the control up will raise the lift, the farther you push it up, the faster it will raise. Moving the control down will lower the lift, the farther you push it down, the faster it will drop. You'll feel a detent in the control when it is in the hold (middle) position.

The lowest knob on the side of the pump is the drawbar adjustment ("A"). It is used for pulling plows and the like and gives traction control. (If your lift raises without you tell it and won't lower while the tractor is running, this plate knob has probably worked out of the body detent or even rattle completely off the tractor.) Turn this knob all the way into the body detent locking the plate into position. The second knob is on top of the pump on the side linkages. This is the hold position adjustment ("B"). Turn it so that it locks the two plates together, allowing them to move as one. The third knob is also on top but on the front of the pump's hold position valve. This controls the delay lift ("C"). Turn it all the way out until it hits its stop. The last knob is on the front of the pump about half way down. It controls the rate of lift ("D"). Turning it all the way out gives you fast lift. All the way in is slow lift. (I have mine set about halfway.)

Once you have the pump setup for the job you want to do, you need to adjust the linkages. (I'm going on memory here so hopefully someone will check me on this.) First with the tractor off move the lift control to the full up position. There is an adjustment just under the gas tank on the large linkage to the hydraulic pump. Loosen this and push the linkage down to take all the play out of the pump and retighten. Move the control back to the down position. Turn the second knob I mentioned above (the hold position knob "B") into the detent in the body of the pump separating the two plates and locking the inner plate to the pump. Now loosen the smaller linkage adjust which is on the outer plate so the rod moves easily but be careful the rod doesn't slide all the way out. Now start the tractor and raise the lift to max height and shut the tractor off with the control still in max lift. Stand on the lift arms and slowly lower the lift control until the pump releases completely. (This should be about halfway down the quadrant.) Now, being careful to not move the position of the control (might even want to put a clamp on it), go back to the outer plate and rotate it so that you can turn control "B" back out of the pump so that the inner and outer plates are again locked together. Being careful to not move the control linkages, rotate the plates counter-clockwise until you feel it click into a detent and tighten the small linkage adjustment.

You may have to tweak it here and there depending on how worn your linkages are and I don't recall the adjustments for the traction boost linkages down to the drawbar (and don't use them anyway as mine doesn't have the linkages) but that should cure your creep problem. The control may still creep up from full down to the mid-point detent but the lift should stay down. (I normally keep the control at the detent anyway.)

Hope that helps.

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DP

03-10-2004 17:49:01




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 Re: Re: Hydraulic Pump in reply to David_T (MO), 03-10-2004 12:14:32  
I have a d19 and the hydranlic does not hold. The lift arm keeps come up. How do I adjust it so it will hold?

Thanks,

Dick



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Dp

03-11-2004 18:33:12




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 Re: Re: Re: Hydraulic Pump in reply to DP, 03-10-2004 17:49:01  
Thanks David T. I will check to see if the plate is missing. It did start coming up after I movied the traction lever on the left side of the steering colum. I also was driving over heavy dogwood pulling a brown tree cutter and could have rubbed somthing off.



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David_T (MO)

03-11-2004 14:09:59




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 Re: Re: Re: Hydraulic Pump in reply to DP, 03-10-2004 17:49:01  
Sorry, I don't know the Ds at all. I think some of them used the same pump as the WDs but can't say for sure if your's is one. In any case if yours has traction control but you don't pull a plow or are missing the drawbar linkage look for a loose plate near the bottom of the pump (maybe missing the control knob on the plate as well) as I mentioned earlier.



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