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B Anti Surge Throttle Spring

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Rod (NH)

02-23-2004 10:18:14




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I happen to have the manifold off my B today so I thought I would grab this picture showing how the throttle "carburetor link spring" (also known as an anti-surge spring) is hooked over the upper manifold stud adjacent to the intake opening for cylinders #1 and #2:

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The manifold gasket has been removed so it doesn't show. If you are going to hook the spring over the stud before you install the manifold, be sure to install the gasket first before the spring. Otherwise, just slip it up behind the manifold afterwards.

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Harold

02-24-2004 19:24:22




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 Re: B Anti Surge Throttle Spring in reply to Rod (NH), 02-23-2004 10:18:14  
Rod, Is there a spring like that on a WD45? Mine likes to surge at times and maybe it's supposed to have one?? Thanks for any ideas. Harold



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Bryan Smith

02-25-2004 13:29:01




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 Re: Re: B Anti Surge Throttle Spring in reply to Harold, 02-24-2004 19:24:22  
Pretty sure there's not one. The early WD's had one, but they found the springs weren't needed and discontinued using them well before the WD45 came online.

We had a D14 that surged under load once - turned out it was the carb float set too low. Set it right and it ran fine.



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Rod (NH)

02-25-2004 06:19:42




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 Re: Re: B Anti Surge Throttle Spring in reply to Harold, 02-24-2004 19:24:22  
Hi Harold,

I don't know since I am only familiar with the B model. That's the only AC Dad had and the only one I now have. I know that spring is also on the C since the C is covered in the B-C parts book. Take a look at the carburetor linkage not far from the connection with the carburetor and see if there is a small hole through it where a spring might attach. That might give you a idea. Hopefully someone that knows the WD45 (or has a WD45 parts book) will chime in with the answer.

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JB in Va

02-23-2004 21:00:07




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 Re: B Anti Surge Throttle Spring in reply to Rod (NH), 02-23-2004 10:18:14  
Ahhhhh... A picture IS worth a thousand words!

I am taking a full set of pics of my B restoration as I go... for posterity!

Way to go, thanx for sharing the info!



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jason

02-23-2004 16:04:08




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 Re: B Anti Surge Throttle Spring in reply to Rod (NH), 02-23-2004 10:18:14  
are those springs still available new. if so where do i get one. thanks in advance. jason



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Rod (NH)

02-23-2004 19:27:10




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 Re: Re: B Anti Surge Throttle Spring in reply to jason, 02-23-2004 16:04:08  
Hi Jason,

Yes, that spring is still available new.

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I got one a couple of years ago at a local supplier of AC parts (used to be a dealer many years ago). I am sure any AGCO ALLIS dealer would have them and also other places that have sources for AC parts would either have them or could get them. As I recall that spring was pretty pricey for what it is though :o).

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Frank, Tx

02-24-2004 17:56:00




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 Re: Re: Re: B Anti Surge Throttle Spring in reply to Rod (NH), 02-23-2004 19:27:10  
Rod, should probably mention that for engines prior to BE-51353, CE-4661 and R-6688 the correct link spring is pn 203208 according to the parts book.



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Rod (NH)

02-25-2004 06:09:23




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: B Anti Surge Throttle Spring in reply to Frank, Tx, 02-24-2004 17:56:00  
Hi Frank,

Yes, correct. Thank you for noting that. It's something I missed. I see that both springs have the same appearance in the parts book, although both are shown to be upside down :o). I wonder what the difference is...spring tension perhaps? An early parts book that I have shows a quite different looking spring indicated as part number U-3208, very similar to the 203208 mentioned for early tractors in the later parts book. I see also that the main governor springs are not the same either. That may be the reason why there are two different link springs, since they work together to a certain extent.

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Dick L

02-23-2004 12:20:15




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 Re: B Anti Surge Throttle Spring in reply to Rod (NH), 02-23-2004 10:18:14  
Just shows ta go ya that a picture IS worth a thousand words. Good thinkin Rod, keep it up.



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Duey (IA)

02-23-2004 11:22:43




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 Re: B Anti Surge Throttle Spring in reply to Rod (NH), 02-23-2004 10:18:14  
Thanks Rod!!



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