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john

02-21-2004 19:24:48




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I purchased a allis b, and have put on the 3 point hitch. I had it running and it just bogged down and cut off. Restarted, ran fine for about 3 minutes then bogged down and cut off. Done this for about dozen times, then it bogged down and now it will not turn over. It did not make any noises of any kind, just shut down. Any ideas? Everything is in neutral, by the way.




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Mike (MA)

02-22-2004 08:32:30




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 Re: HELP-allis b-12 in reply to john, 02-21-2004 19:24:48  
John,

Your title indicates that this is an Allis Chalmers B-12 (garden tractor) but the text simply calls it a B. AC made a farm tractor called the B. Most folks have gone the farm tractor route in their responses... if its actually the B-12 garden tractor, there are a lot of different options to the problem. Could you clarify? If its the B-12, you may also want to chekc in with the folks over at www.simpletractors.com.

Mike

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steve

02-21-2004 19:47:12




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 Re: HELP-allis b-12 in reply to john, 02-21-2004 19:24:48  
did it have any oil pressure? i would try to crank the motor over by hand, or slide out the starter and bar it over with a big scrrewdriver. push in the clutch and it will disengage the motor from the transmission and pto. you should be able to turn the pto shaft with a small pipe wrench and roll the transmission over, with clutch pushed in (motor not moving).



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john

02-21-2004 19:54:37




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 Re: Re: HELP-allis b-12 in reply to steve, 02-21-2004 19:47:12  
Have no idea about oil pressure, like i said it did not knock or valves did not rattle.The motor is stuck tight,can not turn over by hand or pry with a bar. The pto will turn like it should.But this thing did not give a clue to what was going on except it bogged real hard and shut off.



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JB in VA

02-21-2004 22:37:05




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 Re: Re: Re: HELP-allis b-12 in reply to john, 02-21-2004 19:54:37  
You said you have no idea about the oil pressure?

There is an oil pressure gauge near the oil filter, on the engine down on the right side. Did you check the oil before you ran the tractor? You must have positive pressure in the system or you can get a sieze up.

And I have known engines (to be specific, not tractor engines) to sieze up with little or no exceptional sounds. The metal heats to the point where it sort of welds up instead or drastically (and noisily) failing.

Have you pulled the starter off and tried to turn the engine by hand then? If so and it still won't budge (and I hope someone else has a better idea) but I would be looking at tearing the engine down far enough to see if the pistons were siezed. Starting with the crank case, draining and pulling the oil sump and inspecting the crank and rods.

I wish you the best.

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john

02-22-2004 06:17:46




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: HELP-allis b-12 in reply to JB in VA, 02-21-2004 22:37:05  
Ive only had this tractor for a few weeks, and the oil pressure gauge did not work. It is full of oil.It ran good upto the time it bogged down.



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JB in VA

02-22-2004 08:01:46




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: HELP-allis b-12 in reply to john, 02-22-2004 06:17:46  
Please keep in mind that just because it shows as full on the dipstick does not mean the oil is getting pumped through the system.

The pick-up tube could be clogged, the pump could be broken, the oil filter could be clogged, the fan belt could be broken or loose, etc. The pressure gauge is there to indicate that the system is pessurized and oil is being pumped throughout the engine.

The oil gauge on my 'B' is not in good shape, water got inside the glass and therefore the face is rusted and unreadable and the glass is dirty on the inside, but it does 'read'. The indicator arm still responds and tells me the pump etc. is still working so I know the system is getting oiled.

I know most vehicles today do not have oil pressure gauges and you can safely assume that all is ok as long as the oil level on the dipstick is good. But this is not true of older engines.

There are sensors and such on newer engines that will let you know of problems with the oil system that older motors simply do not have. The only system that ensures older engines are running properly, is the user.

I hghly recommend that you get the user's and shop manuals for the Mod. B and read them thouroughly before you continue. I only say this in case you have not aquired these yet.

Again, I wish you the best.

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steve

02-22-2004 05:42:55




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: HELP-allis b-12 in reply to JB in VA, 02-21-2004 22:37:05  
i agree. pull the pan and check the main caps. you can loosen a couple and see what you see. i will say it is much easier to change bearings and set clearances with the motor off the tractor and turned upside down. the motor is not pressureized system. the gauge is an indication that "most things are working" most bearings are splash lubricated in this motor, but the pump has to have pressure to get the spray to work.

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