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02-18-2004 15:25:38

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Having trouble starting tractor. Was losing power under load, checked fuel line, sediment bowl and filter-clean cleaned-up carb. Gave tune-up, wires, plugs dist. cap--- then no start. Put in new pt.s, new condenser,new rotor, checked coil. Have fire to all plugs, compression same over all cylinders.
What am I missing? What are the possibilites? Oh Yeah, I set the flywheel to midpt and rotor to 1st cylinder--no go...HELP! --

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02-20-2004 19:56:30

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 Re: D17 in reply to MARC, 02-18-2004 15:25:38  
Is it possible you put carb gasket on upside down and blocked the fuel flow when you cleaned the carb? Has happened to me in the past.

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Wally G.

02-19-2004 17:00:41

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 Re: D17 in reply to MARC, 02-18-2004 15:25:38  
Are you getting fuel to the carb? Take the line off at the carb and turn the fuel valve on and you should get a full line of gas out of the line. Sometimes junk gets in the top of the sediment valve and partially plugs the fuel valve. Had it happen on a D17loader tractor one time.

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02-19-2004 08:40:19

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 Re: D17 in reply to MARC, 02-18-2004 15:25:38  
I would look at the resistor under the gas tank on the coil wire lead as they sometimes will fail and everything seems to work but will not start.


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02-19-2004 04:27:18

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 Re: D17 in reply to MARC, 02-18-2004 15:25:38  
You do have the points set at the correct gap, don't you? Should be .022. Just a thought.

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02-18-2004 20:32:20

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 Re: D17 in reply to MARC, 02-18-2004 15:25:38  
MARC, you say you have fire but do you know if it's getting gas? If you have some starting fluid, take the cap off the breather, with the motor turning over give it a good shot but DON'T over do it. DON'T get over or around the breather pipe in case it back fires through the breather. A good way to get burnt bad. If it doesn't fire on first try, wait a few minutes, give it another shot while turning over, then close the choke. If at anytime it fires but dies, your not getting gas.

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jim danforth

02-18-2004 15:54:46

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 Re: D17 in reply to MARC, 02-18-2004 15:25:38  
I'll bet you are 180 degrees out on the timing. Are you getting good compression?

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02-18-2004 16:27:12

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 Re: Re: D17 in reply to jim danforth, 02-18-2004 15:54:46  
When I checked compression it wasn't great but it was nearly the same over all 4 cylinders. With the timing, All i could do was set the rotor to just before 1st position, gap the points and set the flywheel to top dead ctr., right? How would I set the timing back 180 like you're saying?

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02-19-2004 05:36:12

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 Re: Re: Re: D17 in reply to MARC, 02-18-2004 16:27:12  
The flywheel turns twice for every one time the distributor turns. The fire mark will be in the hole when both #1 and #4 fire. An easy thing to try would be to move your spark plug wires around on the distributor. Exchange #1 and #4 and #2 and #3 and try it.

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jim danforth

02-18-2004 18:59:00

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 Re: Re: Re: D17 in reply to MARC, 02-18-2004 16:27:12  
Pull the plugs, and turn it until you get a puff of air in the #1 Cyl. Then look for the fire mark in the inspection hole. Your rotor bug should then be pointing at #1 post.

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02-18-2004 15:38:24

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 Re: D17 in reply to MARC, 02-18-2004 15:25:38  
Oh Yeah, the tractor turns over just won't fire and go.

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