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Water in the oil of a little C

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dave lester

02-17-2004 07:39:53




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Hi all, Hope the winter has been kind for all of you and that you're looking forward to spring and summer!

Got a couple of questions for you all.

I finally had some time yesterday to get out to the shop and do some much needed maintenance on our little C.

When I went to drain the oil for an oil change, and knowing that there was straight 30 weight oil in the case, and it was 20 degrees ourside with several days of -0 temps, I was expecting to see the oil come out as a bit of maple syrup. Imagine my surprise when it ran out like water, with a hint of green at the beginning of the flow!! Guess there's a crack somewhere. (I've only had anti-freeze in the radiator, no water, so I'm not suspecting that the crack "just" occured.) I had seen no sign of water in the oil last fall when I had to put the little C away; there was never a problem with indicating oil pressure or having to add excessive amounts of antifreeze, so I was a little puzzled. Not knowing the engine characteristics all that well, I'm wondering if prolonged setting in cold weather would cause any problems around the sleeves in the cylinders? Is it more likely I have a crack in the head and simply need to pull the head and have it reworked? Is there anyway to check to see if I can determine where the crack might be?

On another note, I had to overhaul the hydraulic cylinder because of the packing seal leaking. Got that accomplished, but am now wondering if all I have to do is fill the cylinder, fill the line, reinstall on the pump, and then refill the transmission/differential through the fill plug on the left side of the housing till oil runs out the hole? Is this the proper way to service transmission/rear end/power take-off and pump? I can't see any other place to add fluid to the pump.

Thanks for listening and helping out.

Dave

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JO-jo

02-18-2004 01:53:47




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 Re: Water in the oil of a little C in reply to dave lester, 02-17-2004 07:39:53  
FIRST check those freeze plugs under valve cover by the springs, they leak (rust thru) and can cause you to tear an engine down needlessly!!



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dave of southwest michiga

02-18-2004 05:12:37




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 Re: Re: Water in the oil of a little C in reply to JO-jo, 02-18-2004 01:53:47  
You guys are the greatest!!! Really appreciate the comments!! I'll get to it later today. It's practically springtime here today. I'm thinking of doing the work in my cut-offs and tank top. It will be almost 45 degrees!!!! :)

Thanks again fellas, I'll keep ya posted. Gotta have her ready for the spring planting season!



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steve

02-17-2004 15:04:23




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 Re: Water in the oil of a little C in reply to dave lester, 02-17-2004 07:39:53  
do what Butch said, check plugs in the head, then dripping from the liners. on the hydraulics, you are right on the money. only fill is thru the transmission 1 inch pipe plug. priming of the pump is easier if you have cylinder and hose full as you said. use 20 wt or universal hydraulic fluid, which is a 20 wt oil. get at WAsl Mart or Fram store.



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bma

02-17-2004 14:54:26




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 Re: Water in the oil of a little C in reply to dave lester, 02-17-2004 07:39:53  
Hi
I had a similar problem last week on a c engine in an rc water in oil but ony when worked. i removed the rocker cover and sump filled the block with parrifin and pressureised it to about 10 psi. after a few hours a drip apperiered on the bottom of no 2 liner. so i pulled out the liners to find the sealing rings had practally rotted away replacing these cured the problem.
hope this helps.

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Butch

02-17-2004 09:50:42




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 Re: Water in the oil of a little C in reply to dave lester, 02-17-2004 07:39:53  
There is no need to guess what is wrong with the tractor when you can positivly locate it and fix it the first time. It is also easier on the pocketbook to positively locate the leak before you tear into it. Remove the valve cover and oil pan and look. Do not drain the radiator first and sometimes it helps to pressurize the system if it's a slow leak. Primary areas to look are the two freeze plugs in the top of the cylinder head, the sealing rings for the sleeves and cracks between the sleeves in the lower web. The only way a head gasket can directly leak into the pan is via the oil return holes on the pushrod side. If it is leaking into a cylinder you will have anti freeze inside the sleeves. Freeze cracks should be obvious. It is also not unheard of for below zero temps to cause leaks past the liner O-rings when they are old and stiff. I have heard a few old timers speak of it, but never seen it myself.

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old

02-17-2004 08:38:47




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 Re: Water in the oil of a little C in reply to dave lester, 02-17-2004 07:39:53  
First off just plan antifreeze is not good believe it or not with out water with it, it does freeze but not as bad as water does though. You may luck out and just have a head gasket or maybe a sleeve that is bad. You will probaly need to pull the head and have a look to see if you can see and problems



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