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riverrat100

02-10-2004 20:28:14




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I have been farming it all my life but have never run a D19. Always been mostly red, a little green and a little Massey. Need to know how these work with the hydraulics, the T/A stick, PTO, etc. Live hydraulics? Is the T/A mechanical or hydraulic? PTO live? Hear they're great on traction and power but a little thirsty on fuel. Are these decent machines to fit a loader on? What about 3 pt. hitch - standard mostly or not usually on them? Or are they 2 pt. or fast hitch? Just basically have no clue but need to know - have a chance at a cherry D19 for around $3,200. Am awfully temped, but hesitant. Any weak areas on these tractors I need to look for? Every machine has a weak spot, even my favorite crown achievement of IH, the 856. Thank you much for any info you guys can give me! Later... Oh 1 more thing, gears! High, low range? How many gears fwd. and rev.? thanks...

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scotc

02-18-2004 19:49:10




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 Re: D19 questions in reply to riverrat100, 02-10-2004 20:28:14  
these were set up to shift 1l, 1h, 2l, 2h, 3l, 3h, 4l, 4h, so its more like a t/a than a hi/lo range, with a neutral in it. Deisel heads seemed prone to cracking, ours got a gas engine after the 3rd set of heads cracked. Wasn't bad on fuel, traction wasn't that great but neither were the tires. Great hydraulic system, other than it isn't live. Road gear will probably dissapoint you after the 856, and its kinda light compared to an IH with similar power. And check the tranny our problem gear was 3rd.

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John (MO)

02-17-2004 08:40:31




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 Re: D19 questions in reply to riverrat100, 02-10-2004 20:28:14  
I'd say 7-8 gph in my experience, not bad for the horsepower. You've 4 forward and 1 reverse gear in low range and the same in high range for a total of 8 and 2. They work great with a loader, although AC loaders for them may be a little hard to come by. One of the big things you need to check is the transmission. Allis tractors that were worked hard and shifted carelessly have a tendancy to pop out of gear when the load on them is quickly reduced. It's most often the middle gears that get the most use and abuse. I like to run a tractor down hill and then back off the gas so it does a little engine braking, that will usually cause the problem to show up if it exists. Depending on the price and how bad the problem is if it exists. You may want to try and live with it, because it isn't really cheap to start fixing. I'd say most D-19's were originally snap coupler hitch tractors. There is an easy conversion kits that goes right on the drawbar so you can use both snap coupler and 3 point hitch equipment. Around North MO $3,200 would be around top dollar for a gas D-19. I saw 3 sell at 2 different auctions last spring for less than $2,000. They weren't junk either and yes I bought one of them. Sold my D-14 for almost twice what the D-19 cost. Over twice the hp for about 1/2 the cost, not a bad deal.

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Wally G

02-19-2004 17:11:57




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 Re: Re: D19 questions in reply to John (MO), 02-17-2004 08:40:31  
Don't you just love it, D17's,15's,14's bring so much money and you almost have to give the 19's away.



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Wally G.

02-11-2004 10:00:52




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 Re: D19 questions in reply to riverrat100, 02-10-2004 20:28:14  
OK, $3200 isn't a bad price if it is really nice. I take it it's a gas. The hydraulics and PTO stop when you push in the foot clutch, but they stay running if you put the torque in the neutral position. Some were available with 3 point hitch, but most were snap coupler. There is an adapter from AC for the 3 point that goes on the snap coupler or you can find aftermarket also. If it is gas powered you can figure on 8 to 9 gallons an hour doing medium to hard work. As for a loader tractor, if you mount the live pump off the front of the tractor(driven by the crankshaft) it will make and excellent machine. Hope this helps.

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Errin OH

02-13-2004 08:48:06




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 Re: Re: D19 questions in reply to Wally G., 02-11-2004 10:00:52  
I think the 8-9 figure is a little high. Plowing an old pasture with 5-16 in 1st (some in 2nd), clay/sand @90/10, and 2100 rpm I burned under 5 an hour. Now a V8 running 4400 rpm can go through a bit of gas (10 gal an hour). I now know why you always see the big boats "at" the dock. Cost a small fortune to move them.



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Wally G.

02-17-2004 07:25:55




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 Re: Re: Re: D19 questions in reply to Errin OH, 02-13-2004 08:48:06  
Well I've run one for the last 25 years and that is what it uses on the tank manure speader or the flail chopper (chopping sudax that is about 6 to 7 feet tall). The diesel doesn't quite have as much as our gas model in HP but only uses 4 to 5 gallons/hr.



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