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Just thought I'd share (AC-B)

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Rich , NJ

12-11-2003 14:19:37

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I have 1938 AC B, which I regard as relic,a curiousity from days gone by. Something eldery that needs pampering. I also have a 1952 Ford 8N with a front end loader. The recent snow provided a chance to compare Tractors. The Ford Got stuck everywhichway. I spent much of my time just trying
getting it unstuck. In fairness to ole Henry, It may have been the FEL that messed it's weight and balance configuration. But there is a counter weight off the rear end that uses the three point hitch. Enter the AC Mod B. The 65 year old "relic".
First, I wound up the "armstrong" starter to get it going.It fired on the sixth pull. Much easier than the Ford's electric starter. Amasingly it did not even slip. It just "tractored" thru packed drifts more than half the dia. of the front wheels. It effortlessly climbed the mound of packed snow, about 4' high made by the township snow plow. I gotta say, I was impressed. It had traction like nothing else. Now if I can just find a snowplow for it. Regards,Rich

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Jim E Cent I:L

12-13-2003 18:32:07

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Re: Just thought I'd share (AC-B) in reply to Rich , NJ, 12-11-2003 14:19:37

Use the orange. Hp for Hp, it will do the better job...

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souNdguy

12-12-2003 21:13:36

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Re: Just thought I'd share (AC-B) in reply to Rich , NJ, 12-11-2003 14:19:37

Glad you got your drifts plowed. As for the difficulites of the 'N' vs the 'B'... You might take a few things into consideration... When you refer that the B effortlessly climbed packed drifts that the N got stuck in.. you do realise that the B is 800-900 pounds lighter than the N. Not all tractor sizes / weights are equally efficient at all tasks.... Care to see that B pulling a 2-14 bottom plow through some nice packed soil?.. again.. not a fair comparison.

As for the N's hard start... My guess is that the maintenance on that machine has not been kept up. They were designed on 6v, and when maintained, start well on 6v... and the maintenance is very minimal.. points, wires, cap and rotor every couple years, and perhaps plugs yearly... Poor compression, and / or poorly maintained ignition results in hard starts. I'm sure you will find this fairly universal... maintenance and condition of a tractor tend to alter starting ability more than make / model.

When i got my JD 'B'.. I could barely get it to start without killing the 12v battery the previous owner 'stuck' in there.. ( and magneto ignition ). Now with a small tuneup of 38 bucks.. it has a new 6v battery, and 2 new spark plugs... starts on tabout the 3rd rotation

And as you surmise.. the N is not the end-all be-all loader machine.

However.. the ford N's stand on their own.. with about 800,000 N's being produced from the end of 1939 to 1952, that fairly dwarfs the 130,000 or so AC-B's made from 1938 thru 1957.
If you compair numbers, ford made about 126,000 9n's and 2n's between 1939 and 1944...If you jump to the 8n, between the end of 1947 thru the beginning of 1949, 141,000 were produced.

Looking at antique tractors from the 30's and 40's, it is fairly tell-tale to see that the ford N series is still doing alot of real farm work, while most other surviving antiques of that era are relegated to parade queens.. Parts availability for the N seris tractor eclipses most other makes / models of that era, including John Deer., which i believe has the next best product support, followed by IH/Case/farmall/mcormick.. etc

Remember.. there aren't any bad tractors.. just bad owners.

Soundguy

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Quit it...

12-13-2003 02:51:10

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Re: Re: Just thought I'd share (AC-B) in reply to souNdguy, 12-12-2003 21:13:36

You know very well that most people don't want to hear actual facts...

'I feel your pain'...

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Ken/Wa

12-12-2003 20:54:35

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Re: Just thought I'd share (AC-B) in reply to Rich , NJ, 12-11-2003 14:19:37

I have them both, and love them both. They are just like my children, one can do more than the others, but some are better at one thing. As far as cranking on the 6th crank, what is that about. My B cranks over on the first pull. My 8n starts up on the first crank with a good tune-up. I would think most people put chains on their tractor if they are moving snow, if they have a 2 wd.

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danny

12-12-2003 13:12:47

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Re: Just thought I'd share (AC-B) in reply to Rich , NJ, 12-11-2003 14:19:37

Wut color is it? Because if you painted it yellow and green then thats your whole problem.
(If you paint it orange then it will work just fine).Just playing.

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zac

12-12-2003 10:34:34

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Re: Just thought I'd share (AC-B) in reply to Rich , NJ, 12-11-2003 14:19:37

you couldnt give me an 8n that had a loader on it
i dont like the little fords in the first place, but you hang a loader on them and they are even worse

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Then y they so populer? T

12-12-2003 20:19:16

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Re: Re: Just thought I'd share (AC-B) in reply to zac, 12-12-2003 10:34:34

Ford's are the best. We use Ford trucks,cars,tractors,air conditioning,got an old Ford radio(philco) my brother is a pilot and says the Ford trymoter air planes are the best air planes. If it wasent for Ford you probebly would be still using a horse.And rosevelt put Henry Ford over all asembly lines in wwII,so if it werent for Henry Ford we would probible ben Goose stepping Nazies by now. King Ford in my eyes

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Rich, NJ

12-13-2003 06:39:46

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Re: Re: Re: Just thought I'd share (AC-B) in reply to Then y they so populer? T, 12-12-2003 20:19:16

I too, am a Ford man! My frst car was a Ford. That was a 49 tudor. Since then Iv'e owned a 50, 3 51s, a 54 with a 312 thunderbird eng.,A 55, 59ranch wagon, a 59 Edsel, a 64 Galaxy, a 70 station wag. And many other Ford products,too numerous to mention. I too, was a pilot and your brother's half right about the Ford Trimotor. It was a good plane for it's day, but it's day is over. When the
original designer, Bill Stout, wanted to revive the design in 1958 with "one more Tri" it flopped.
The Ford had three Curtis Wright 9 cyl "Wright whirlwind" engines. There were some guys operating a little shuttle service with 3 of them up util a few years ago. Henry Ford's contribution to the world cannot be overstated. His attempts to stop WW1 with his "Peace Ship" showed who was making money on war. Later, when he did war production (Eagle boats) he would not allow himself to take a profit. A very controversial and misunderstood man! A true hero! Regards, Rich

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cowboy

12-12-2003 20:35:48

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Re: Re: Re: Just thought I'd share (AC-B) in reply to Then y they so populer? T, 12-12-2003 20:19:16

Id rather use a horse than a ford the horse s more reliable and aint near as ugly

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Ford man

12-12-2003 21:07:43

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Just thought I'd share (AC-B) in reply to cowboy, 12-12-2003 20:35:48

A horse is full of sh**t

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Mark

12-12-2003 07:24:14

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Re: Just thought I'd share (AC-B) in reply to Rich , NJ, 12-11-2003 14:19:37

I wanted to apologize about what I said about melting down the other tracters,But when you spend 16 hrs a day on a tractor for more than 80% of your life and never had anything go wrong whith it you inherit a motherly instinkt to defend it. God Bless

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12-12-2003 21:12:13

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Re: Re: Just thought I'd share (AC-B) in reply to Mark, 12-12-2003 07:24:14

Thank Harry Ferguson for that.

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Mark

12-12-2003 07:15:33

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Re: Just thought I'd share (AC-B) in reply to Rich , NJ, 12-11-2003 14:19:37

Forgot to mention,On the whole discusion forum there is only one bord to brag about an individaal tractor of course its the n sieriese

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12-12-2003 21:11:06

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Re: Re: Just thought I'd share (AC-B) in reply to Mark, 12-12-2003 07:15:33

This guy can't even spell.

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Dave 8n

12-13-2003 11:14:19

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Re: Re: Re: Just thought I'd share (AC-B) in reply to CH, 12-12-2003 21:11:06

Albert Einstein could not spell very well either.

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drof 8n

12-13-2003 11:22:07

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Just thought I'd share (AC-B) in reply to Dave 8n, 12-13-2003 11:14:19

I am only in 8th grade and have totaly rebuilt 2 ford tractors. My grade in L.A. is only a C. Just because you can't spell doesnt mean you are total idiot.

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Ken/Wa

12-13-2003 12:19:24

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Just thought I'd share (AC-B) in reply to drof 8n, 12-13-2003 11:22:07

I agree, look at this!

Aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoatnt tihng is taht the frist and lsat ltteer be at the rghit pclae. The rset can be a ttoal mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe.

Feraknig amzanig huh?

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Dave Gibson

12-13-2003 20:18:39

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Just thought I'd share (A in reply to Ken/Wa, 12-13-2003 12:19:24

Vfey Guyd Prynt.

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Jim

12-12-2003 22:16:58

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Re: Re: Re: Just thought I'd share (AC-B) in reply to CH, 12-12-2003 21:11:06

We are debating tractors, not a 13 year olds spelling are you some kind of moron?

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Mark

12-12-2003 21:53:20

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Re: Re: Re: Just thought I'd share (AC-B) in reply to CH, 12-12-2003 21:11:06

I can spell FORD that all that counts.
P.S. I'm still in jr.High

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Mark

12-12-2003 21:54:04

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Just thought I'd share (AC-B) in reply to Mark, 12-12-2003 21:53:20

And I'm 13

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Mark

12-12-2003 07:10:51

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Re: Just thought I'd share (AC-B) in reply to Rich , NJ, 12-11-2003 14:19:37

Yoused my 8n for last storm plowed wonderfuly never gets stuck, I'v taken that thing thrue 4 foot snow drifts. Best tractor in the world. If I had my way I would just melt down all the other crapy tractors and make 8ns out of them

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ac puller

12-12-2003 20:44:23

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Re: Re: Just thought I'd share (AC-B) in reply to Mark, 12-12-2003 07:10:51

if you took all the other crappy tractors and melted them down to make 8n fords that would make sense cause a bunch of crap makes a big piece of crap and thats what an 8n ford is. HA HA!!

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old

12-11-2003 16:51:13

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Re: Just thought I'd share (AC-B) in reply to Rich , NJ, 12-11-2003 14:19:37

once you add a front end loader to the B you will find out you have the same problem. The fords problem is the loader. remove the loader and it will probaly go where the B went also. Plus the B is lighter then the ford. But don't get me wrong I don't like 8 Ns much either I have one we call the NERD but it does have a backhoe on it so it is nice to have, its just a little nerdy

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Jeff Mans

12-14-2003 12:08:17

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Re: Re: Just thought I'd share (AC-B) in reply to old, 12-11-2003 16:51:13

If you put a loader on a B you'r going to put alotta stress on that little front axel.

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12-15-2003 12:16:53

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Re: Re: Re: Just thought I'd share (AC-B) in reply to Jeff Mans, 12-14-2003 12:08:17

Yeah that big ol 8n hoss of a tractor has got a bog honkin front axle on it.

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Jeff Mans

12-16-2003 20:33:40

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Just thought I'd share (AC-B) in reply to ac, 12-15-2003 12:16:53

The 8n and the B are TOYS. I'm talkin bout the 5000-
9000 there buddy

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