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Craig

11-24-2003 11:40:29




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I've got a 1952 CA that is still a 6 volt, positive ground system. A previous owner had replaced the original 3-position switch for the charging system with a simple on-off switch. The lights did not work when I bought the tractor so I had my mechanic repair them and add a new 6-volt work light on the rear of the tractor. He has made them work with the existing on-off switch. Will the generator cause the battery to over-charge or under-charge when I use my lights without the original 3-position switch? Is there a 6-volt, positive ground alternator option that would be suitable to pursue given the $70.00 hi-lo switch cost?

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Joseph Tucci Jr.

11-30-2003 17:49:41




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 Re: CA charging system in reply to Craig, 11-24-2003 11:40:29  
If you hade a book you would see that the Sw. had a resistor in it to control the gen charge rate with lits on or off I have a 47 AC C i use for pulling Iput on a AC delco 10SI alt. heavy wire to bat. jumper to #2 sw. controled wire to term #1 thru a 10 ohm 10 watt resistor leave start. and mag. alone if dist use 12V coil &resistor



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Steve in N.J.

11-24-2003 17:23:51




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 Re: CA charging system in reply to Craig, 11-24-2003 11:40:29  
Craig,
You probably could get away with the setup you have at present, but if you want to go back to the OEM headlight switch, we have them available rebuilt/restored and ready to install. Drop us a line if interested..... (even another Steve)
Steve/B&B Custom Circuits [email protected]



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S.AMMER

11-24-2003 15:25:35




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 Re: CA charging system in reply to Craig, 11-24-2003 11:40:29  
Craig: I just repaired the charging system on a "48" C which should have the same system as yours. I used a dpdt center off toggle switch and 2 10 watt power resistors to make up a switch for about $8.00. It has lo-hi-lights/hi and has worked good so far. Can't post a sketch but will try to help more if I can. another Steve



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steve

11-24-2003 15:10:29




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 Re: CA charging system in reply to Craig, 11-24-2003 11:40:29  
all the 3 way switch does is connect the "F" terminal of the generator directly to ground with the lights on so you get "full charge" about 8 amps. when the lights are off, the "F" wire from the generator goes thru a resistor then to ground, and you only get 3 amp trickle charge. If you dont use the tractor all day long, every day, just ground the "F" terminal and the 8 amps will be o.k. leave a light or two on when running and dont worry about it. i also saw one tractor with a toggle switch to connect the "F" to ground only at night. yes you can get a different generator or alternator, but $$$ is probably to high if you present generator does work.

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CHALMERSBOB

11-24-2003 19:00:02




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 Re: Re: CA charging system in reply to steve, 11-24-2003 15:10:29  
I'M CONFUSED. MY 40 B HAS THE 3 POSITION SWITCH BUT DOESN'T HAVE A RESISTOR AND IT CHARGES AT 3 AMPS. WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THAT WITHOUT THE RESISTOR IN THE CIRCUIT IT SHOULD CHARGE AT 8 - 10 AMPS. I ALWAYS THOUGHT THAT THE RESISTOR PUT A "LOAD" ON THE GENERATOR AND THEREFORE IT CHARGED AT A HIGHER RATE. HELP! THANKS BOB



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steve

11-24-2003 19:12:23




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 Re: Re: Re: CA charging system in reply to CHALMERSBOB, 11-24-2003 19:00:02  
i believe you get full charge when the "F" wire on the generator is connected straight to ground. if you put a resistor in the line it is like haveing a rusty wire that does not have completely "good ground" and will not charge at the max rate. at least it should work that way. short the "F" to ground at the generator and see if amp meter dont go to "max".



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Bryan Smith

11-26-2003 11:01:03




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: CA charging system in reply to steve, 11-24-2003 19:12:23  
Yep, grounding the "F" terminal makes it charge at the maximum rate. The explanations above do a good job of telling how the 3 position switch works.

One thing I did for my 1951 CA was to buy a 6 volt positive ground regulator. It was around $60 from NAPA (VR63 I think - you'd better check that, though). I mounted it under the gas tank on the right side of the tool box. Now it charges and cuts back like it should whether I use lights or not. It makes sure the battery is charged properly and it makes the battery last a good bit longer - mine used to last about 3 years, now they last 5 years plus since they are charged correctly.

$60 is still pretty steep. You might think about replacement 6 volt battery costs (you'll probably buy one every 3 to 5 years or so anyway) and consider re-wiring the generator to 12 volt negative ground. Costs about $100 to do that here, but I'm thinking it's the way to go in the long haul.

You'd have to install a new on/off light switch, change light bulbs, reverse the wires on the ammeter, and either put a ballast resistor between the ignition wire and the coil or add a so-called "6 volt/12 volt" coil that probably has an internal ballast resistor.

Think I might go that route next time since good 6 volt batteries are so high these days. I'm doing that on a WD I just brought home.

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