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Slowpoke

11-24-2003 01:11:36




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I recently got a C with an engine #CE 84904 G.
Anyone know what the letters mean? The engine is stuck due to water entering the exhaust.
I used a length of rubber medical tubing to siphon 3/4 cup of water from #2 cylinder,
others seem dry. I took out about a pint of water from the oilpan. I put some PB Blaster in all cylinders. Is it possible to disolve the rust and get the engine running without removing the head? If it was turned over enough by hand would it scrape the rust off the cylinder walls and free up the rings and/or valves?

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Pon

11-25-2003 08:37:34




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 Re: Tractor # C57878 in reply to Slowpoke, 11-24-2003 01:11:36  
Slowpoke, letting the cylinders soak with a good penetrating oil for a few days would certainly be worth a try before trying too hard to turn it. Just take the plugs out and fill each cylinder as full as you can. Replace the plugs then do something else for a few days. When you come back, removed the plugs and try getting it to budge fairly gently with the hand crank, not the starter (if it even has one). Gradually, if it will begin to move, then back it up a bit and then put more penetrating oil in the plug holes. Keep nudging it gently back and forth adding a generous amount of lubricant in the cylinders. Then when it will turn over, add some more, and let it expel it through the plug holes. Then you'd be ready for a try at getting it to turn over, then run. If you get it running, then squirt as much top lubricant in the air cleaner as you can without killing the engine. After all that, you've got a shot at it doing alright. It's when you try too forcefully to move one dry or without soaking long enough that the damage is done. Sometimes, this way, you can get the rust dissolved without taking metal. Of course, all this depends on how long it stayed locked and all. If you get it going, warm it up with a load and make it pull a bit. That might force the rings to seat again if need be and you'll be good to go. Have a good day and God Bless.

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Slowpoke

11-25-2003 13:45:25




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 Re: Re: Tractor # C57878 in reply to Pon, 11-25-2003 08:37:34  
I have put a generous amount of PB blaster in the plug holes two days ago. I tried to remove the right front wheel bolts and was only able to remove one. The rest would not budge with all of 190 -200 foot lbs on the 4 way lug wrench. I tried the on and off method, too. I used PB Blaster the same day on the bolts, and the next morning I was able to remove all bolts by just the normal two arm method.
The stuff works good. I hope it works as well on the engine.

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Pon

11-25-2003 14:33:41




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 Re: Re: Re: Tractor # C57878 in reply to Slowpoke, 11-25-2003 13:45:25  
Slowpoke, that's good. Just hang with it for a little while and be patient. Dime to a dollar it'll come around. After all, it took it a while to lock up, so taking a little time to get it back is not all that bad. The best of luck to you, and also, Happy Thanksgiving. We have so much for which to be thankful. God Bless.



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steve

11-24-2003 15:22:23




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 Re: Tractor # C57878 in reply to Slowpoke, 11-24-2003 01:11:36  
CE is the model of the motor, 84904 is the number of them built. also used in the B, so the tractor # and motor # dont match. G stands for gas, the higher compression motor.
personally i would tear dow, hone cylinders, install new rings and gaskets and check beawring clearances. you will find the rings, valves and lifters all "stick" presently. you wont be sorry if you tear it donw and it is good practice. dont take a few days.

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old

11-24-2003 07:53:03




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 Re: Tractor # C57878 in reply to Slowpoke, 11-24-2003 01:11:36  
It is possiable to get an engine to run with out takeing off the head but sometimes you will still need to take it apart. I have done a lot of engines and some ran just fine and others smoked so bad you couldn't see to find the key to turn them off. You may get lucky and have a good runner you may not, But if I where you I'd give it a try. It won't hurt anything to give it a try and you may be in good shape. Your question reminds me of a motorcycle I had when I was young, the cylinder was so rusty at first the rings would only last a week. But after about 4 sets of rings all the rust was gone and it ran very well. Hope this helps some

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Slowpoke

11-24-2003 22:58:58




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 Re: Re: Tractor # C57878 in reply to old, 11-24-2003 07:53:03  
4 sets of rings? Thanks, old.



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old

11-25-2003 08:41:16




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 Re: Re: Re: Tractor # C57878 in reply to Slowpoke, 11-24-2003 22:58:58  
Ya it was a honda 50, it was also funny because we used 2 to make one it had 1st,2nd, and 4 gear never did figure out what happened to 3rd



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