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Ford Starter in 12 volt WD 45?

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11-13-2003 20:49:02

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I was told today of a guy who put some kind of Ford starter in his WD 45 when he made it 12 volts. I am told it doesn't chew up the starter ring on the flywheel. Anyone have knowledge of this or comments? I haven't seen this deal, yet, but it is a 45 wide front that sells at auction Saturday (11/15). Ironically, it wouldn't start when my informant was there.


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11-16-2003 08:50:24

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 Re: Ford Starter in 12 volt WD 45? in reply to Greg, 11-13-2003 20:49:02  
I saw this tractor, Saturday.... It started and ran well, by the way, just needed a new water pump and it sold for $2050. Anyway, I was unable to determine what kind of a starter it was... It was a Ford, but It appeared the nose and everything was correct. They had set it up with an on/off switch and it had to have a push-button switch up on the steering bar to start the thing. It was a cobbled mess as far as that goes. I just thought someone on here had heard of doing that or had actually done that. Dad and I were stumped, too, about the reverse rotation challenge. I think I'll stick with the A/C parts on mine.


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11-17-2003 16:58:41

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 Re: Re: Ford Starter in 12 volt WD 45? in reply to Greg, 11-16-2003 08:50:24  
About 15 years ago I did a 12 volt conversion on the D14 and kept the 6 Volt starter, A couple times a year the starter drive would jam and the mounting bolt would have to be loosened to get it to free up and about every other year the drive would bust and need to be replaced.The last straw was when the neighbor used it and ran out of gas and thought he should check the spark, He took out all the plugs and spun it with the starter till it threw the copper windings out of the armature and locked up the starter.
About 8 years ago after years of pondering how to reverse the rotation of a 12 volt starter for cheap it suddenly dawned on me how simple it was with parts I already had.Look at a Dodge gear reduction car starter from the seventies, The brushes are in the middle not on the back end like all other starters And being a single reduction gear that means the motor is running backwards to turn the drive the right direction.
I used an early sixties 12 volt autolight from an old Dodge (I think a Delco or Ford would work just as well I just happened to have the Autolight)I pressed the shaft out of the armature and made a new one a little longer and pressed it in so the brushes would be in the middle of the starter. I had to make a spacer to go between the motor and the original nose cone so the finished unit was about 1 1/4 longer.
I also added a follow through Bendix from a factory 12 Volt D15 starter that I removed the small pinion gear from and added the larger pinoin from the 6 Volt rig.
I put it on without painting it just to try it out 8 years ago and haven't had it off since,It has worked out very well.Back then I had lots of time and it was a fun project, It is an easy project if you have a lathe and a little time.Over winter I plan to make one to put on my Model D grader.

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Brian G. NY

11-14-2003 18:08:10

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 Re: Ford Starter in 12 volt WD 45? in reply to Greg, 11-13-2003 20:49:02  
I wonder what Ford starter would turn in the right direction. The Allis WD/WD-45 starter nose faces the front of the tractor while most face the rear of the tractor. Years ago I tried to use a '52 Olds starter on my Dad's WD. After I got everything changed over, I found that it turned in the wrong direction. It was a long time ago, but as I recall I was able to change it's direction by using the Allis end plate/brush holder. I think the Allis starters are Delco; basically the same design as those used in early GM products and they seem quite different from Ford starters. I bet somebody else on here has done a lot more "fooling around" with starters and can add better info to this discussion.

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bw in mo

11-16-2003 04:44:30

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 Re: Re: Ford Starter in 12 volt WD 45? in reply to Brian G. NY, 11-14-2003 18:08:10  
I see no advantage to use any thing but your AC starter, I have hade more than one on 12 volt for several years with no problem to starter or flywheel. Keep good points- cond- & gas so it starts easy I see no problem, & lots less work. Good luck B W

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