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Allis 190, 190XT, 190 Series 3

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Haig Stephens

11-11-2003 13:30:41




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Who knows the differences between the 190, the 190XT, and the 190 Series 3?..and are there any watchouts? Also, what should I expect to pay for a 190XT diesel, w/cab in average to above average condition?

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Mike

11-30-2003 05:51:31




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 Re: Allis 190, 190XT, 190 Series 3 in reply to Haig Stephens, 11-11-2003 13:30:41  
It is true these tractors had transmission problems, so that is something to look for. Other wise these are really great tractors. They have alot of power and yet are very fuel efficient. When Allis came out with the 190xt (which was turboed for more power) the idea was to pull the same implement a gear faster. However with added power many people added more weight and pulled a larger implement, which lead to early power train failure. The series 3 had a heavier duty powertrain to cure this problem. If you are interested in 190xt you may also want to look at the model 200 which took the place of the 190xt. 190xt was rated at 93hp and the 200 kept the same rating, but actualy most xts and 200s put out over 100 to as much as 120. Eventually the same basic engine was used in the 7020 which was rated at 123hp. Although the series 3 190 and 190xt received powertrain improvements which carried over to the 200, they can still jump out of gear. The reason most likely do to someone trying to shift them on the go and grinding the gears. If care is taken not to grind the gears the transsmissions would probably last forever. This is true for most all allis chalmers prior to the 7000 series when powershift was introduced.

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old

11-11-2003 18:05:19




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 Re: Allis 190, 190XT, 190 Series 3 in reply to Haig Stephens, 11-11-2003 13:30:41  
These tractors have a bad rap, the tranmission on some of them is weak. Watch out that it doesn't pop out of gear, pulling and brakeing. Auction books say average is around $2500 for them. They are good but don't bring much money because some of them had transmission troubles. hope this helps. I just sold a 190XT a month ago and got a Farmall 450 and a cletrac crawler in trade for it.



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Wally G.

11-15-2003 16:27:40




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 Re: Re: Allis 190, 190XT, 190 Series 3 in reply to old, 11-11-2003 18:05:19  
Don't let anyone kid you about a bad rap. Yes the early 190 and 190XT had some trans problems. AC put a potent motor in front of a D19 trans and found some weak spots. The 190 was not turboed and the XT was. Some early XT's dynoed out above 120HP and thats when they figured out why the trans wouldn't hold up. The Series 3 had a beefed up trans and rear to match the engine. The problem with 3rd gear is it is probably the most used gear in the tractor. East coast price for these tractorsis from $3000 to $6000, maybe a little more in Amish country.

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