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Advice needed on 190 diesel

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Iowa Farmer

11-07-2003 18:15:05




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We have a straight 190 Diesel. It is a 1966 and we have owned it since the late 60's. It has been a good tractor, but tonite we learned the Hand clutch is completely out of it. It wont pull itself in the high side and it slips in low. The motor and foot clutch are good and so is the transmission. The rear end has been replaced with a 190 XT rearend. It was painted 10 years ago and the tin is real straight.It has always been shedded. It has a Ansel cab with heat. The tires are good. What is the tractor worth in the shape it is now? Any help is appriciated. Thanks!

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Joe(TX)

11-08-2003 06:23:08




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 Re: Advice needed on 190 diesel in reply to Iowa Farmer, 11-07-2003 18:15:05  
I would fix it. Contrary to one of the other posts they are very good tractors. I would check the linkage to the control valve. If it has slop in it the valve will not engage fully and the clutch will slip or not engage. If that is not the problem check the hydraulic pressure before splitting the tractor to replace the clutchs.



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Bryan Smith

11-10-2003 12:40:40




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 Re: Re: Advice needed on 190 diesel in reply to Joe(TX), 11-08-2003 06:23:08  
Joe's right on the money. If that hydraulic valve is out of whack - linkage or otherwise - that the hand clutch lever connects to, it won't do much at all and will slip. Check the linkage first, then check into rebuilding the valve itself.

We had a 200 having problems like that - turned out to be a worn out bushing in the side of the tranny holding one end of the cross shaft for the hand clutch. We also had problems with our 190XT like that and found out it was a badly worn roll pin holding the control linkage to the shaft (the roll pin broke later in the week, which greatly expedited our finding the problem!).

It may be a more serious (and costly) fix than that, but I'd hate to see you sell it for a $20 repair. Check it out first.

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scotc

11-07-2003 20:19:18




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 Re: Advice needed on 190 diesel in reply to Iowa Farmer, 11-07-2003 18:15:05  
if just the hand clutch is out, I'd probably fix it if I didnt use it much. A good comparison is the total of your repair bills for the last year or 2 versus payments on a new one. Might help find a figure on what its worth to you.



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old

11-07-2003 19:11:56




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 Re: Advice needed on 190 diesel in reply to Iowa Farmer, 11-07-2003 18:15:05  
Well in my area its almost impossiable to give one of them away. They have a bad rap. I just sold an AC190XT or should I say traded. Auction books in this area say about $2000 for a good working one so I'd say maybe $1000. I'd fix it and keep it don't think you could get much out of it unless you found some one that needed parts. Sorry I couldn't tell you some thing better



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larry

11-09-2003 13:12:04




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 Re: Re: Advice needed on 190 diesel in reply to old, 11-07-2003 19:11:56  
Fix it! Don't listen to the know it all's giving you crap advice, except for the very early 190's with the d19 rearends, the 190's were good tractors, problem wasn't the the tractors, it was the operators, tractor was rated at 93 horse (turboed) but they often put out more than that from the factory (4020 JD's only wish they could put out more than rated)and farmers would hook them to equipment designed for a 220 or D21. The hand clutch isn't that big a job to fix. If you don't want to fix it then the "salvage" going price in NW wisconsin is around 800.00 to 1100.00 pending other conditions, tires, motor, tin, etc... if you want to sell, I might be interested

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old

11-09-2003 14:10:53




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 Re: Re: Re: Advice needed on 190 diesel in reply to larry, 11-09-2003 13:12:04  
Read better I said they have a bad rap not that they are a bad tractor, I liked the one I had it was just to big for what I needed. The best thing to do is fix it. They don't sell well or at least not in my area



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