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Need a slooow 45-60 hp tractor for transplanting

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Paul

10-24-2003 18:08:26




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Hi,
I need a tractor with a really slow 1st gear, 3pt hitch, diesel, wide front, 2WD, narrow tires (13.6" or less). I have an IH 574 but its geared for drag racing and is useless for transplanting vegetable seedlings.

Any suggestions on models to look at, or tractors for sale that might fit the bill?

Thanks!

Paul




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Mark in MO

10-27-2003 12:42:53




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 Re: Need a slooow 45-60 hp tractor for transplant in reply to Paul, 10-24-2003 18:08:26  
Paul, Here in NW MO, we've used D15 and D17 Allis Chalmers for Setting Tobacco. Is your transplanter a Semi Mounted or a 3pt? One row or two?

Mark Hill
Dearborn,MO



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Paul

10-27-2003 15:38:32




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 Re: Re: Need a slooow 45-60 hp tractor for transp in reply to Mark in MO, 10-27-2003 12:42:53  

Hi Mark,

I use a 3pt finger transplanter (Holland) to plant at 12 and 18". Almost any tractor will work at 18", neither of mine work at 12". I am planning to get a waterwheel transplanter, and will need to get down to about 8 or 9" apart in row with that.

Paul



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Mark in MO

10-28-2003 07:08:23




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 Re: Re: Re: Need a slooow 45-60 hp tractor for tr in reply to Paul, 10-27-2003 15:38:32  
Paul, We've used a D17 on Semi-mounted 2 row and a D15 on a MT mounted one row (finger type). With the hilly terrain here in NW MO the D15 worked better if you used Saddle Tanks instead of keeping the water tank on the Setter. Neither were Diesel, but because of the Power Director speed was no problem. I'm probably bias because I love AC tractors, especially the D Series. I hope I've been of some help.

Mark Hill
Dearborn,MO

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Paul

10-28-2003 15:12:56




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Need a slooow 45-60 hp tractor fo in reply to Mark in MO, 10-28-2003 07:08:23  
hi Mark,

What spacing do you transplant at with your D series AC's?

Thanks for responding.
Paul



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Mark in MO

10-29-2003 06:32:58




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Need a slooow 45-60 hp tracto in reply to Paul, 10-28-2003 15:12:56  
Paul, I've got my Setters set up for 18" spacings and 42" rows. This spacing lets the Tobacco spread out allot more than closer spacings do. I've always put a 12' sprayer row between every 10 rows, this sure makes easier to spray when the Tobacco gets tall. It seems like everything eats on Tobacco, so it's not uncommon to spray once a week. On most Transplanters the spacings can be adjusted by changing the drive sprockets. Are you using plants from a Hot Bed or are you using Hydro phonic plants? Water Bed plants set much faster than "Bed" plants do. Sorry to ramble.

Mark Hill
Dearborn,MO

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Paul

10-29-2003 18:41:43




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Need a slooow 45-60 hp tr in reply to Mark in MO, 10-29-2003 06:32:58  
Hi Mark,
I grow vegetbles, I do about 40 different kinds and sell at farmers markets, to a CSA, and to local natural food stores. I have a finger transplanter and have the same experience, at 18" apart pretty much any tractor will do, I also use it at 12" to transplant straberries, although now that I am on my own farm I found the tractors I bought (IH 140 and 574) are too fast to trasplant at that distance. Some of my crops go in at a foot (head lettuce) and some I have to dibble and hand transplant (salad mix plugs at 8"). I plan on getting a water wheel transplanter, which is basically a dibbler which punches a hole, floods it, and then operators push in a plug. I grow organically, so all my plugs are grown in a compost/peat/vermiculite soil mix. I grew 4 acres organic veg this year, expanding to 7 acres next year. I know a guy who grows tobacco up here organically, in the CT river valley they grow really fancy tobacco for cigar wrappers.

Paul

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Gary

10-27-2003 16:45:46




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 Re: Re: Re: Need a slooow 45-60 hp tractor for tr in reply to Paul, 10-27-2003 15:38:32  
What you need is a allis 160 dies. This tractor has got a low range that CAN'T be beat in a slow race. You need a stake in the ground to see if it is moving. Might be short on H.P. but makes up for it in SLOW. .08mph In low low at wide open throttle. Paint fades faster than this tractor will go at idle.
It has 3-point hitch and two stage clutch for pto operations. You will also go home damn hungry if you wait to burn up 5 gal of fuel.
Good luck in finding a good one. I have 1200 hrs on mine and sold it once. I bought it back 2yrs later never to sell again. Gary

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Paul

10-27-2003 17:20:58




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Need a slooow 45-60 hp tractor fo in reply to Gary, 10-27-2003 16:45:46  
Hi Gary,

Thanks for the info, got a kick out of your comparisons. Are all the AC of that series (I think there is at least an AC 180) geared that low?

Paul



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Gary

10-27-2003 17:44:40




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Need a slooow 45-60 hp tracto in reply to Paul, 10-27-2003 17:20:58  
Nothing that I know of is that slow. A 180 in low with the high -low in low is not to bad, however I would hate to keep up with it transplanting



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Dale(MS)

10-25-2003 07:30:41




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 Re: Need a slooow 45-60 hp tractor for transplant in reply to Paul, 10-24-2003 18:08:26  
Paul, My slowest is a Case 990 (David Brown). It has 12 forwards and 4 reverses to choose from, about 52 hp,3pt hitch,lots of hydralics (loader set up and a couple or rear outlets),wide front, 2 wheel drive with differintal lock, 4 cyl diesel that has good fuel economy,my rear tires are larger than you need but could probally be changed.Its not for sale but it sounds like it would fit your bill. I like the AC's but the ones I have would not suit you needs.Dale

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