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A.C. B oil pressure woes

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Pete B

10-03-2003 08:57:54




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My newly running '41 A.C.B seems to be having oil pressure problems. Upon start-up,the new (and tested-for-accuracy)oil gauge rapidly vibrates around 10 psi. As the machine warms up and is in use, the pressure drops gradually to 2-4 psi (still vibrating). The motor doesn't smoke nor make any alarming noises or rattles (bearings), the oil is fairly clean as is the breather. What am I up against here? Will I do damage by running with so little pressure or is this acceptable with older, low-performance motors? Have I overlooked something, or must I crack the tractorto get to the oil pump? Any help is greatly appreciated.

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Joe Westrich

10-07-2003 14:16:50




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 Re: A.C. B oil pressure woes in reply to Pete B, 10-03-2003 08:57:54  
The manual tells you that if filter is installed
oil pressure will be lower but not harmful.

Switching to the paper filter should logically raise it. But logic may not apply.

Stand pipe info correct.

Put a NAPA on mine and it runs at 10# with a little vibration.



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Ronnie in TX.

10-03-2003 18:41:51




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 Re: A.C. B oil pressure woes in reply to Pete B, 10-03-2003 08:57:54  

Filter Rod in NH.



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lloyd

10-03-2003 12:07:28




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 Re: A.C. B oil pressure woes in reply to Pete B, 10-03-2003 08:57:54  
remember that even thought the original,correct Agco filter is expensive it will last a long,long time.It will make a difference w regrds to pressure. Also the tractor does not require alot of pressure,even though its low it is still pressurized. Can also try a st wgt oil sae30 perhaps. Good luck. no worries.



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Tyler(WA)

10-03-2003 09:22:49




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 Re: A.C. B oil pressure woes in reply to Pete B, 10-03-2003 08:57:54  
Check your oil filter. If it's one of the new style NAPA or WIX Dana filters... that's your problem. These tractors don't filter like traditional engines. They only filter a portion of the oil and return that to the pan. If the filter doesn't offer sufficient backpressure you will have problems.

There are still some NAPA and WIX filters out there, built to the older "rag" style. You can tell them because they have a wooden stick poked up into the fiber filling to keep the passage open until you install it. If you can't see fiber wadding up inside the hole of the filter, don't install it.

AGCO still sells the original style filters but they cost nearly $10. Still cheap compared to loosing an engine.

Both NAPA and WIX stand by their filter design but the flood of ruined engines with their filters still mounted speakes otherwise. The claim is that the oil pressure is determined by the stand pipe but real world experience and tests show differently.

Make sure your filter is not the pleated paper style.

Hope this is your answer.

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bob b

10-03-2003 10:56:55




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 Re: Re: A.C. B oil pressure woes in reply to Tyler(WA), 10-03-2003 09:22:49  
AN OLD TIME ALLIS CHALMERS MECHANIC WHO LEARNED FROM HIS DAD ALSO POINTED OUT THAT THE STAND PIPE THE OIL FILTER GOES OVER MAYBE TOO FAR DOWN IN ITS HOLE. PULL THE PIPE OUT AND REINSERT IT 1/4" INTO ITS HOLE. YOU MAY NEED TO TAKE A CENTER PUNCH AROUND THE END YOU PUT IN THE HOLE TO MAKE IT STAY PUT. IT HELPED ON MINE AND CHANGING FROM THE NAPA FILTER TO THE FRAM FILTER REALLY MADE IT RIGHT.



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Steve in N.J.

10-04-2003 20:25:16




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 Re: Re: Re: A.C. B oil pressure woes in reply to bob b, 10-03-2003 10:56:55  
For those interested, we just worked a deal and got a boat load of Fram C-159 oil filters in for our AC customers. Our customers have been using the Fram filters with great success and no oil pressure problems as the Wix/Napa filters have been causing since their revision. We're running a special on the C-159's. We also have brand new replacement oil filter tubes in stock. Drop us a line if interested...
Steve/B&B Custom Circuits
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Weldon

10-04-2003 11:12:20




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 Re: Re: Re: A.C. B oil pressure woes in reply to bob b, 10-03-2003 10:56:55  
Comments from Bob are on the right tract. I have a friend who redid a B and had this problem and he talked to an old Allis dealer and the dealer said to check the stand pipe in the base of the filter and if the pipe was missing---FIND one. The pipe is known to come out with the old filter and gets thrown away. FIND one!!!!



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Pete

10-03-2003 13:53:40




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 Re: Re: Re: A.C. B oil pressure woes in reply to bob b, 10-03-2003 10:56:55  
The "New" Wix filter is the subject of recent posts on the Unofficial Allis website. If the filter is not of the cotton batting type with the wooden stick the engine won't build oil pressure. Engine damage will be the result.



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tractorhead

10-07-2003 12:13:34




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: A.C. B oil pressure woes in reply to Pete, 10-03-2003 13:53:40  
how much oil pressure is there suppose to be anyway mine has about #12 lb.



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Bryan Smith

11-05-2003 13:13:16




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: A.C. B oil pressure woes in reply to tractorhead, 10-07-2003 12:13:34  
There was a fellow on the forum that tested the standard AC oil pressure gauge once. He compared the actual pressure reading when the needle was on various letters of the word "NORMAL" on the gauge. He said that it pretty much followed the following:

N - 3 psi
O - 6psi
R - 9 psi
M - 12 psi

and so forth. Remember, this is a bypass filter system - not all of the oil goes through the filter, only a portion. 3 psi at the filter doesn't mean 3 psi through the whole system - it will be somewhat higher. My 1949 B has been running on the "N" or mayeb a little under for a looong time now. It doesn't smoke or use much of any oil (maybe a half-quart in 50 hours or so) so I haven't reid rebuilding it. I'd figure I have some oil pump issues or maybe a bypass valve issue.

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