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rhudson

08-07-2003 14:06:04




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i have an old wc styled that i guess i'm going to try to rebuild so that my son can have a pulling tractor when he comes of age. was there a hand clutch option? was is inplace of or used with the foot clutch? seems you would have to have four hands to steer, clutch and brake. anyone know where i could find a picture or spects on one so i might make one? i think at my son's age he could use the hand clutch to get confidant with the tractor untill he is strong enough to operate the food clutch. Thanks for any help.

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howster mighty fine

08-09-2003 04:37:52




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 Re: wc hand clutch in reply to rhudson, 08-07-2003 14:06:04  
the hand clutch on a WD is used for starting and stoping only. You still need to use the foot clutch for shifting gears. I was a little boy once too. Started baling hay when I was 8. Dad would put the Allis in gear for me and I would use the hand clutch. As you know when you sit on the Allis the foot clutch is way out in front of you and a skinny kid don't have the power to push it. I could drive our Ford-Ferguson just fine. Maybe you could make some kind of extensoin on the clutch for him. I have been thinking of moving the seat on my WD placing it more centered and higher. I think this would make it more comfortable and as I have long legs now I could still reach the pedals.

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rhud

08-08-2003 20:36:50




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 Re: wc hand clutch in reply to rhudson, 08-07-2003 14:06:04  
last week, in one of my tractor books (can't remember which one), i saw a picture of a wc with comments under the picture about a hand clutch. i was thinking it was a common option or may aftermarket option.



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Mike

08-08-2003 05:57:08




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 Re: wc hand clutch in reply to rhudson, 08-07-2003 14:06:04  
As far as I know WCs did not have a hand clutch. The first Allis to have a hand clutch(transmission clutch) was the WD. I have seen WCs with a lever behind the transmission and ahead of the differential that would disengage power to the rear wheels but it was not a clutch and you would have to use the foot clutch to reengage this lever. I have read other peoples comments that they have seen a WC with a factory installed hand clutch that was a dry disc clutch but I think this would be very rear.

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JMS/MN

08-09-2003 15:52:19




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 Re: Re: wc hand clutch in reply to Mike, 08-08-2003 05:57:08  
Many later WC tractors had that throwout lever- it was handy for running the Rotobaler, but like you say, the foot clutch had to be used to re-engage power to the rear wheels. The throwout is simply a splined collar on the shaft between the tranny and differential.



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Rick

08-08-2003 14:42:21




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 Re: Re: wc hand clutch in reply to Mike, 08-08-2003 05:57:08  
The WC hand clutch that I have here is a dry clutch and does not run in oil. It works exactly like the hand clutch on a WD/WD45. You don't have to mess with the foot clutch at all,just snap it forward and the rear wheels stop,but the pto keeps turning. Snap it back and it takes off again on it's own. That's the way this one works anyway...pretty neat! Thanks,Rick



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ted

08-08-2003 09:44:33




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 Re: Re: wc hand clutch in reply to Mike, 08-08-2003 05:57:08  
I grew up with a 1937 WC that had a hand clutch. My dad always said the clutch was taken off of an Allis U therefore it had Allis paint and looked like it came from the factory. Although I dont know if a U had such a clutch either.

This clutch was installed on the shaft behind the transmission and in front of the differential. The handle came up between the steering wheel and the gas tank and was a few inched taller than the wheel.When you pushed it forward it disengaged the wheels but allowed the PTO to operate.

When I was very young, I drove this tractor while my dad walked beside the wgaaon picking up bales picking up round bales. I could engage the clutch by grabbing it with both hand and dropping back with all of my weight. I could disengage by placing my foot against the clutch level and pushing forward with all of my strength. I was not strong enough to do it by hand. Sounds safe doesnt it.

Mike from MN where in in MN was that? My father bought that tractor expressly because it had the hand clutch and worked with his baler. Perhaps we remember the same tractor.

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JMS/MN

08-07-2003 23:46:24




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 Re: wc hand clutch in reply to rhudson, 08-07-2003 14:06:04  
When I was growing up in the 50s, a neighbor two farms away had an unstyled WC with the hand clutch- worked great with his AC baler. Was like the other posters described. However, if you just want a clutch that is easier to operate, you could do what my dad did to let my older brother operate the tractor. He was very young in th3 late thirties, and dad added a flat iron to the foot clutch, with couple bolts or clamps, so he could push it in by hand. It was still on the clutch in '54 when I started driving the 1939 model.

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wdTom

08-07-2003 18:33:20




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 Re: wc hand clutch in reply to rhudson, 08-07-2003 14:06:04  
At a tractor a couple of years ago I saw a styled WC with a hand clutch between the transmission and rear end, where the lift goes if you have one. It was a multi-disc dry clutch with a big (larger than a WD handle) handle sticking up to actuate it. The owner said it was a factory experimental installation. That is all I know, have never seen another or read of such a thing in an AC book. It did look neat enough to be a factory job. Took a picture of it too, which would be around here somewhere.

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Rick

08-07-2003 20:20:33




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 Re: Re: wc hand clutch in reply to wdTom, 08-07-2003 18:33:20  
I also have a Styled WC Allis with the factory hand clutch. It is exactly as wdTom has explained it to be with the one that he saw and took a picture of. It does sit where the cultivator lift would be. I don't have any pics yet,because I just recently purchased this tractor. Thanks,Rick



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