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handy

07-28-2003 06:32:10




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Hi folks, I have a 1942 allis C with a belly mower thats giving me fits. I've used the archives and put a new coil and condenser in the fm mag. New wires, plugs, starter wires,and new gas. My problem is that the tractor runs fine upon initial start up but after 15 minutes it will start to miss and it gets worse until the tractor dies. If you leave it for and hour it'll start right up and do the same thing again. Do you think the whole magneto needs replacing or maybe the carb? Once the thing dies it will try to pop and fire so I don't think it's the mag. I've cleaned the carb and noticed someone has put a kit in it recently but that the main jet seat never got changed and it looks chewed up in there. Could that affect the running once it's warm? Thanks for any help and advice. Handy in mn.

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handy

08-01-2003 06:54:41




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 Re: troubled C in reply to handy, 07-28-2003 06:32:10  
Thanks for all the advice guys. I was to the wrench throwing stage yesterday when I grabbed a flashlight and looked in the tank. Someone had tried to put that sealer coating stuff in the tank and the oriface was dang near plugged. Would let some gas out but not enough evidently. Cleaned everything out and will replace with a new sediment bowl with the screen that sticks up into the tank. Also double checked that the points were right and found them to be fried and set too close. After initial start up and warm up, it still wants to miss but it isn't quite as bad and was able to mow for a hour with it only dying twice and it restarted each time. Time for new screen and new points I guress. Thanks again folks for reminding me to check the obvious things first. Handy

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greg foundos

07-29-2003 16:19:02




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 Re: troubled C in reply to handy, 07-28-2003 06:32:10  
I was having similar problem with my B (although I have a distributor, not mag): Changed Points, condensor, cleaned out carb, permatexed the intake/exhaust manifold, changed gas filter, went to point-less electronic ignition conversion... But it turned out to be the timing. When it warmed up, it would cough, governor would ramp the engine up and down, then stall out. Wait 15 minutes, then same thing all over again. I'm not sure if it was too retarded, or too advanced, but it was on the edge one way or the other. Moved it a little, works fine.

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Steve in N.J.

07-29-2003 11:35:29




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 Re: troubled C in reply to handy, 07-28-2003 06:32:10  
Sounds to me like it could be fuel problem also. As one of the fellows mentioned, pull the plugs and check to see if they show soot, or gas. Gas could be sinking floats, dirt in the needle n' seat. Dry whitish plugs, could be a lean problem. Vacuum leak etc. Champion plugs, first problem. Autolite 295's... good start!
Steve/B&B Custom Circuits



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lenard (La.)

07-28-2003 19:52:29




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 Re: troubled C in reply to handy, 07-28-2003 06:32:10  
If you have champion plugs in it throw them away.They are known to be trash.



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papab

07-28-2003 19:21:01




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 Re: troubled C in reply to handy, 07-28-2003 06:32:10  
put another new condenser in it



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Jim Danforth

07-28-2003 12:04:47




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 Re: troubled C in reply to handy, 07-28-2003 06:32:10  
Actually, now that I think about it, Tyler is probably right on with the manifold. It's not unusual for gaskets to shift, or a manifold to warp a bit when hot.



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Tyler(WA)

07-28-2003 08:32:37




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 Re: troubled C in reply to handy, 07-28-2003 06:32:10  
Could be fuel, spark or manifold leak. Take a good look at your spark when it's cold and again after it warms up and fails. If you still have a good spark after it fails, move your attention to fuel delivery.

Get a can of carb cleaner and as it starts missing, spray it around the manifold gasket and carb to manifold gasket. If you have a manifold leak, you'll hear a difference as the carb cleaner gets pulled into combustion. You also can use your choke as it's starting to run rough. If the problem is fuel delivery, additional choke will appear to fix the problem.... at first.

Make sure your engine is leaning out rather than choking out. Sooty plugs tells of too much fuel and that can do the same. Plugged air cleaner can do that and your problem would resolve if you remove the short air hose from the cleaner to carb. (Don't run it that way but it's a good elimination test.)

Your problem is still simple. Keep thinking "Air, Fuel, Compression, Ignition." One of those is changing after warmup.

Have you looked at compression?

It's so easy to "think around" possibilities but when things don't make sense, you have to go back to the basic 4 and check each one.

Good luck.

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wdTom

07-28-2003 18:41:37




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 Re: Re: troubled C in reply to Tyler(WA), 07-28-2003 08:32:37  
Check valve clearances, could be holding valves open a little when it warms up if the clearances have become too tight from someone setting them wrong or whatever.



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Jim Danforth

07-28-2003 07:47:11




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 Re: troubled C in reply to handy, 07-28-2003 06:32:10  
I would really look at the fuel. Sounds like you are leaning out to me. Pull the line at the carb and see if it flows well for a while. Also, remove and clean the tank well since something may be floating and causing the situation.
Jim D



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