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'39 B questions...

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06-24-2003 10:19:10

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I recently got an original '39 model B. As I start to rip it apart to restore it completely....

I don't have a rod set up (coming up to the steering col.) for the flap going to to the carb (choke set up I assume). Was this rod only on the later tractors that had electric start so you didn't have to set the flap by hand?

The rear rims have some paint on them but don't look they were ever galvanized. On a '39 were they orange or galvanized?

For a '39, should the 'Allis-Chamlers' on the side of the hood be in black or white? I seen decal kits each way...

Chris Horn
Scappoose Oregon

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06-25-2003 01:40:26

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 Re: '39 B questions... in reply to Chris(OR), 06-24-2003 10:19:10  
check out the Allis factory pics in the vintage photo album, the rims are not black.

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06-25-2003 05:18:39

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 Re: Re: '39 B questions... in reply to ??????, 06-25-2003 01:40:26  
Using one "factory" picture, a service manual, or even period advertising literature to refererence proper color combinations is fine and it does prove that SOME were made that way, it does not prove that ALL were made that way. Would you like so see some more "factory" pictures of early Bs with orange rear rims? How 'bout silver? How 'bout an early B with black pinstripes on the front wheels? A person can paint the rear rims on a B, (or any other Allis model from that time period for that matter) orange, silver or black and factory photos can be found that prove his color combination to be correct. There also seems to have been some that were shipped out with green rims. Have no documentation but have heard it from too many oldtimers who were there to dispute their claims. I dont think Allis cared near as much about how correct their tractors were as we do.

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Tyler(WA) Thanks!

06-25-2003 16:20:04

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 Re: Re: Re: '39 B questions... in reply to Butch(OH), 06-25-2003 05:18:39  
Butch, you've hit on a good answer to an age old question. I have one "vintage rim" with black paint down on metal and another with Persian Orange. I was going with black because of some picutres I'd seen but the only color I know they did NOT come in was galvanized... Until the 50's.

My '38 also has a WICO mag that is OEM and vintage. Fairbanks Morse had some delivery problems as they tooled up to meet the Allis production demans during that first year and WICO was second sorced. Definately a keeper and certifiably vintage.

Wonder if I could get away with red rims? ;-)

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06-25-2003 17:43:05

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 Re: Re: Re: Re: '39 B questions... in reply to Tyler(WA) Thanks!, 06-25-2003 16:20:04  
Makes for interesting discussion doesn't it Tyler? I have seen just enough Bs with WICO's to wonder if they ever used them originaly. One thing for sure, if you want to be proved wrong say "never" when dealing with an A-C, LOL "most" is a good word, "some" is my personal favorite.

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Terry from Pa

06-25-2003 15:06:16

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 Re: Re: Re: '39 B questions... in reply to Butch(OH), 06-25-2003 05:18:39  
Well I guess you could paint them black or green then, but...well.....eewww.

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06-24-2003 16:43:29

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 Re: '39 B questions... in reply to Chris(OR), 06-24-2003 10:19:10  
I'm doing the details on my restoration of a 1938 SN-B4117. The choke rod was added later than '39 and the rear wheel rims were painted black and the hubs were orange. The front wheel hubs and rims were all orange.

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06-24-2003 14:04:53

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 Re: '39 B questions... in reply to Chris(OR), 06-24-2003 10:19:10  
The decals for a 39 should be blue with the long A and S. None were white, they are faded blue ones. Lyle Wacker has good ones, so do others like Norm at Norms Toys. Tell either of them what year you have and they will get you the correct ones for your tractor.

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06-24-2003 14:04:00

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 Re: '39 B questions... in reply to Chris(OR), 06-24-2003 10:19:10  
My '39 doesnt have a choke rod. The rear rims were orange as posted.
The Allis decal was Blue on these years.

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Dick L

06-24-2003 11:34:11

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 Re: '39 B questions... in reply to Chris(OR), 06-24-2003 10:19:10  
When hand cranking a choke pull rod at the stearing wheel is not within reach, therefore not needed. Allis didn't start using galavized rims untill the CA's came out or around 1950. They were orange.

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06-24-2003 10:34:34

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 Re: '39 B questions... in reply to Chris(OR), 06-24-2003 10:19:10  
I have to make a choke rod for my '40. I can make an extra for you if you like. It will look like the original and probably couldn't tell old from new.

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