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Rich,NJ

06-01-2003 10:02:05

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I just reaquired this machine from the widow of the guy who bought it off me. It all seems to be original but It does need a few things. I note that there are some holes rusted through the exhaust manifold. Welding exhaust manifolds is one of the worst welding jobs I've ever tackled. The bottom of the magnito flange is cracked off, Is it alum or pot metal? It looks like weldable aluminum to me. One of the rear rims has a big hole rusted though it, More welding. Engine won't start! It seems to have spark, but aside from a few pops , It won't even start on ether. I don't know what the compression of this engine is or should be. Having an armstrong starter I don't imagine that it's very high. I can feel much more resistance when I have the plugs in than when they are out. I believe the guy who had it rebuilt the engine about fifteen years ago and he never used it for much other than a large garden. He was a competent mechanic who I would trust. Any suggestions? The machine did sit for a few years What's the best lubricants for this machine, Both engine and gearcase? From my reading, I see that there are two "Persian Oranges", No 1 and No 2. Number one being the color first used on the earlier machines. Is this paint available? Or will I be sold the later no 2 version? Thanks for your help. Rich

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Tyler(WA)

06-01-2003 11:36:28

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Re: 1938 mod.B SN 8543 in reply to Rich,NJ, 06-01-2003 10:02:05

Compression. My book lists 115# top but I've started them with as little as 70#. My personal low limit before rebuild is 80#.

You probably ought to check the timing. The mag should fire when you see the "FIRE" line in the flywheel observation hole on the left side of the bell housing (torque tube.) Make sure you have actual spark plug wires and not resistor wires, AND make sure you have fresh NON-resistor spark plugs. Your arm will fall off before you get it started with resistor wires and plugs.

Persian Orange #1 is still available and you don't have to shell out $150+ per gallon. Van Sickle Paints will sell you a gallon of Farm Implement paint in proper Persian Orange #1 color and a pint of their hardner for under $50. It's high quality paint and looks great.

I'm about 85% complete with the restoration of my 1938 B, SN B4117. There are many peculiar differences between the 38's and following models.

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Rich, NJ

06-01-2003 14:03:40

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Re: Re: 1938 mod.B SN 8543 in reply to Tyler(WA), 06-01-2003 11:36:28

Thanks Tyler, Here's the deal, The guy who I sold it to was a first class aircraft mechanic from WW2, very familiar with mags and similiar stuff. But thats all moot since I first posted this AM. She runs. Not that great But she runs. After much cranking , I got tired of it and pulled the manifold and the plugs. I squirted some WD40 in each cylinder. She spun over oh so nicely after that. I then put everything back together after blowing out the Manifold with air, some rust type stuff came out. Then I tried it again, Presto after several pulls on the crank off she went. I had put some MMO in the oil and I didn't want to run it very long on the old oil and the MMO so I shut it down after about ten minutes and changed the oil. With the new oil it seems to be much quicker starting , maybe two or three pulls. Great oil pressure and no blue smoke. Just some missing. The carb has been repaired with braze and I don't think that the main mixture valve is working. It seems rich, Black smoke. Next I mounted a bad rim I have and started it up again to spun the rim while I clean it up with a hand grinder in preparation for welding. A good days work done. Ok Next, Who and where are Van Sickle paints? I've never heard of them. Is Persian orange no 1 a standard color that I can have mixed by someone here locally? Can you give me some idea just what parts are unique to the 38 models? I think that the rear rims are for one thing. Any other stuff I should know about? Thanks again Rich

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Tyler(WA)

06-01-2003 20:07:19

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Re: Re: Re: 1938 mod.B SN 8543 in reply to Rich, NJ, 06-01-2003 14:03:40

Shoot me an email and I can send you pics of the significant differences.

Here's the link to Van Sickle. They have Persian Orange #1 as a standard in their "custom colors."

Van Sickle Paint

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CHALMERSBOB

06-01-2003 11:59:29

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Re: Re: 1938 mod.B SN 8543 in reply to Tyler(WA), 06-01-2003 11:36:28

WHERE DO YOU GET VANSICKLE PAINTS? I HAD MINE MIXED AFTER GETTING A PT. SAMPLE FROM AN AUTO SUPPLIER. BUT THE HARDNER IS HARD TO GET.
HAVE FUN WITH YOUR ALLIS'. I HAVE A FEW OF MY OWN I'M WORKING ON.
THANKS
BOB

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Terry

06-01-2003 10:26:59

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Re: 1938 mod.B SN 8543 in reply to Rich,NJ, 06-01-2003 10:02:05

my mag has the lip welded on the bottom.. so I guess it can be done...Terry

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Steve in N.J.

06-01-2003 18:26:27

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Re: Re: 1938 mod.B SN 8543 in reply to Terry, 06-01-2003 10:26:59

Hi Rich, I do a lot of mag work, and the mags can be welded. I also use JB Weld which works quite well on the mags. As for Van Sickle paints, I've never seen any advertisements for it around here in Jersey. I have a 48' B, and I used Dupont Dulux Persian Orange #1 with their hardner and thinner. She came out real nice I thought. It's easier around these parts to get Dupont or Chromabase paints. If ya need any parts for your B, drop us a line or give us a call. We're located in Northern Jersey. Have a catalog dedicated just to AC if yer interested...
Steve/B&B Custom Circuits

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Rich, NJ

06-01-2003 22:59:32

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Re: Re: Re: 1938 mod.B SN 8543 in reply to Steve in N.J., 06-01-2003 18:26:27

Steve, Thanks! I'm down by Great Adventure off 195. When I was looking for paint for the Ford 8N
I went to a couple of body shop suppliers in Trenton. They were talking crazy numbers like 45$ a qt for DuPont Centari I said thanks but no thanks and went with the paint from a certain supplier in Iowa. Trouble is, I don't believe that the color is correct. It didn't match the original. I purposely left the front engine/rad mount in the original red for comparison. By the way, Whats a good primer? I usually use some milspec, Iron oxide stuff I got in a deal but that's drying up. You don't say where your are in No. Jersey. I do get up that way now and then. Maybe we can do some business. "Rich"

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Steve in N.J.

06-02-2003 07:14:34

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Re: Re: Re: Re: 1938 mod.B SN 8543 in reply to Rich, NJ, 06-01-2003 22:59:32

Rich,
Our shop is in Oak Ridge. Jefferson Twp- about 10 minutes North of Dover. If your down by Great Adventure, you're about 1 1/2 hours from us. Keep us in mind if ya need anything!
Steve/B&B Custom Circuits www.chevy2performance.com

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Rich, NJ

06-01-2003 13:45:03

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Re: Re: 1938 mod.B SN 8543 in reply to Terry, 06-01-2003 10:26:59

I thought it was weldable. Thanks for the reply.
Funny how I was cranking it two days ago and I saw something fall out of the corner of my eye. I bent over and picked it up and lows and beholds, it was the bottom part of the mag slot. Nothing hit it. It just gave out and fell. Thanks again, Rich

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