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12v vs 6v, wh?

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Jwr

04-22-2003 10:50:26




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OK, this may be a dumb question...but just what are the advantages of 12 v over 6 v anyhow? I've used both in tractors, and honestly don't know what / or why folks what to upgrade to 12v.

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Doug in OR

04-24-2003 12:43:58




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 Re: 12v vs 6v, wh? in reply to Jwr, 04-22-2003 10:50:26  
Either works - but it is easier to deliver more energy to a device with a higher voltage. The reason for this is because as the amount of current increases through a wire, you lose more energy through heat. When running 6 volts, you need twice as much current to deliver X amount of watts as you would if you were using 12 volts. If you look at a 6 volt battery cable, you'll generally find the cable to be thicker - and with heavier post clamps. Six volt systems are less forgiving if you have any loose connections or worn connections.

And as mentioned by others here, using 12 volt systems are just cheaper and easier to maintain in most cases now. This is due to availability. As a side note here, I keep hearing that the major auto manufacturers will be switching to 36 volts "real soon now". Their reason: Newer cars demand more from electrical systems than ever. I can't wait - I have shelves of 12 volt communications radios and law enforcement electronics. *sigh*

Your six volt system will work, just keep everything well maintained.

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rayinny

04-22-2003 18:09:54




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 Re: 12v vs 6v, wh? in reply to Jwr, 04-22-2003 10:50:26  
I had a 49 olds v-8 and converted the car to 12volts when I rebuilt the engine with high compression pistons,also 12volts may crank more efficiently in cold weather.



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steve

04-22-2003 15:04:58




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 Re: 12v vs 6v, wh? in reply to Jwr, 04-22-2003 10:50:26  
tyler and bryan spelled it out pretty well. also remember that 12 volt negative ground is now the new "standard" in the country. parts are cheaper, same layout and ground as your truck and car, maybe even the batteries are interchangable.



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Steve in N.J.

04-22-2003 12:51:41




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 Re: 12v vs 6v, wh? in reply to Jwr, 04-22-2003 10:50:26  
jwr, Not a dumb question at all. There isn't anything wrong with the 6V system. The main problem that most folks seem to have with them is that the engine spins slow. That's the nature of the beast, other than that they work fine. If the engine is in tune, she'll fire up no matter what the weather. The 6V system may need a little more inspection or attention at times, but then again, that's part of the maintenance anyway. We offer a 12V conversion for the folks who want to convert, but as I said, the 6v works fine....
Steve/B&B Custom Circuits

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Tyler(WA)

04-22-2003 11:46:22




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 Re: 12v vs 6v, wh? in reply to Jwr, 04-22-2003 10:50:26  
Alternators charge at lower r.p.m and are much cheaper than the cost of having a generator repaired.

I can buy a Delco S-10 alternator for about $40. It's internally regulated and even if I have to buy a new 12v battery and new lamps, it's cheaper to convert than to repair/replace a generator or regulator.

A good 6v system will start fine and you don't need anything better than that but 12v systems are more fault tollerant when it comes to slightly corroded connections. With 12v you don't need as large of conductor to deliver the same power. Power (Watts) = Volts x Amps. If you double the volts you deliver the same power with half the amps so the conductor can be smaller.

Since a 6v starter will handle 12v without any problem and polarity doesn't matter to a starter, most who convert to 12v are very happy with the results.

I converted my MF2135 when my generator quit and have had no problem since.

Almost forgot, if you have a distributor ignition, you'll want to add a resistor to your ignition circuit to drop the current going to your points and coil, or switch to a 12v coil. Magnetos don't care because they don't draw from the battery system.

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Bryan Smith

04-22-2003 12:51:45




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 Re: Re: 12v vs 6v, wh? in reply to Tyler(WA), 04-22-2003 11:46:22  
Tyler's right on the money - I bought a 6 volt regulator a while back - $63.00. Most folks go to 12 volt for better cranking, especially on cold climates. I have all three types of charging systems on my tractors (6v with generator, 12 v with generator, and 12 v with alternator) and I have to say the 12 volt batteries - regardless of whether generator or alternator charged - seem to hold up better with occaisional use over time. If you have to repair a 6 volt system you are usually money ahead to convert to 12 volt (took me a while to be convinced of that but I am now).

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