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Stuck rear wheel

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Clint W.

04-14-2003 13:43:32




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I have an old Model B Allis tractor that I picked up from a relative on Saturday that I have started to restore but the right wheel is stuck in place very tight. The tractor hasn't been moved for about 6 yrs. I put the tractor in neutral and the left wheel spins free easy but not the right.
I stuck a screwdriver into the brake assembly from
the bottom and got about 2 cups of dirt out of that little clean-out place and I squirted about a full can of wd40 into the top but it won't budge. I also banged on the foot pedal with a hammer but I can't make it budge at all. I'm sure the brake is not in the locked position because I can compare it with the left side. I tried dragging it around the field to get it loaded on a trailer and the left wheel goes around easy but not the right. I finally had to winch it onto a trailer to get it home. Anybody have any suggestions for a stuck wheel?

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steve

04-14-2003 20:53:55




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 Re: stuck rear wheel in reply to Clint W., 04-14-2003 13:43:32  
there are two pins, about 1/2 inch diameter and 4 inches long running parallel to the axle that mount the brakes. one end of the brake shoe is anchored with one pin. a cam arm is connected to the other end the shoe and pivots on the second pin. the screw head you are talking about does the adjustment to take up shoe wear. if you can loosen the screw the shoes should loosen up. if you cut the head off the screw, it will alos loosen up. if you spray WD40 on the pins and drive one of them out from the center out toward the fenders the brake will come loose.
---all this assumes the brake is stuck and the problem is not a rusted bearing or gear tooth "stuck". --this may sound dumb, but the tire and wheel mount to a steel hub that is "pushed" onto a splined axle bull shaft and a nut is on the outside to hold it together. I once had a B that the splines were worn somewhat and the hub was loose. when i tighted the nut to push the hub on further it bottomed out on the back side aginst the case and "turned hard" Was the wheel oose when parked, or did it get tight after the "nut" was tightened or a new alxe shaft seal installed??? Might be worth loosening the outer nut a couple turns and smacking the hub with a sledge hammer if you think it could be dragging between the hub and case.

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Ted Seifert

04-14-2003 18:09:01




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 Re: stuck rear wheel in reply to Clint W., 04-14-2003 13:43:32  
Jack up the right wheel and try and rock it forward and backward



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Clint W.

04-14-2003 19:10:51




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 Re: Re: stuck rear wheel in reply to Ted Seifert, 04-14-2003 18:09:01  
Thanks Ted I plan on trying that alsobefore I tear the whole mechanism apart. Do you think I would be better off jacking it up and trying to rotate the wheel without its weight on it or dragging it backwards through the yard? Also, it looks like an adjusting screw (flathead) that I can get to from the top housing do you think it would help to try adjusting that first? (It is very tight and rusted) Thanks again I really appreciate it.

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wdTom

04-14-2003 17:52:44




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 Re: stuck rear wheel in reply to Clint W., 04-14-2003 13:43:32  
Not sure about the best way here. Bs had brake bands. Probably take off everything so you can get to it and start prying the band away from the drum. I don't think it will be easy but if you stick with it you will get it. Maybe if you get the brake band anchor pin out you can rotate the drum and free the band up as it comes around. I don't know about this though but I would try it. Also, get manuals. Owners and Repair.

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Clint W.

04-14-2003 18:43:20




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 Re: Re: stuck rear wheel in reply to wdTom, 04-14-2003 17:52:44  
Thanks for the info. I have a manual on order for it but I am anxious to get started on it. I took off that cover plate above the brake housing but I still can't see how the mechanism works. If I lube it real well and clean out all the dirt, put it in neutral and drag it around backwards do you think it will do me any good? I will probably have to take the whole thing apart but I am trying to avoid it if I can. The tractor seems to be remarkably intact so I'm more anxious to get the motor running rather than having to hassle with a stuck wheel. Thanks for the advice and keep it coming if you have any suggestions regarding any aspect of this restoration.

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Clint W.

04-22-2003 13:09:32




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 Re: Re: Re: stuck rear wheel in reply to Clint W., 04-14-2003 18:43:20  
Thanks for the help with the stuck rear wheel. I finally got it free through a combination of wd40 and that "pb rust inhibitor" product. Next I plan to drain all the hydraulic fluid and replace all the lines. Any suggestions on what brand etc. of hydraulic fluid should go in it. I live near a major city (Salt Lake) so I probably have access to most types of stores. But is it better
to buy it mail-order through specialty dealers?
Thanks again for the assist.

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wdTom

04-15-2003 18:40:40




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 Re: Re: Re: stuck rear wheel in reply to Clint W., 04-14-2003 18:43:20  
Well it can't hurt dragging it around for a while. Once while helping my brother get a farmall BN he had the same thing, one wheel stuck. We were dragging it the 100 to 150 ft out to where it could be loaded onto a trailer and just before we would have had to drag it onto the trailer the wheel freeded up and it rolled onto the trailer. The engine didn't free up though, and he is still working on it along with several other projects. If it doesn't work after a few tries it probably won't though, at least for that day. Good luck and keep us up to date. We learn from the problems others solve too.

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