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D17 Lift--Need help

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Kevin (FL)

04-12-2003 21:06:49




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If anyone out there has a '58 Diesel (with a working lift), I could sure use some help with the lift on ours. Still having trouble sorting out the lines on the side of the tractor and the transport valve on the rear--basically how the system is supposed to work. I looked at a Series III today and it only had one line running along the left side--the forward line tap was plugged up. I tried that on ours and that definitely wasn't correct. I've got plenty of work that needs to get done around here, but can't get the lift to work properly.

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JMS/MN

04-13-2003 11:47:52




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 Re: D17 Lift--Need help in reply to Kevin (FL), 04-12-2003 21:06:49  
The transport valve is used to disconnect flow to the lift arms when using a remote cylinder. Otherwise, every time you retract the remote cylinder the lift arms would float down, and when extending the remote cylinder, the lift arms would have to rise first, which takes extra time. A single line along the side of the tractor is a pressure line, and provides only one-way action of a cylinder. Power extend, gravity retract. Several thousand lbs pressure on the line doesn't mean you should be able to lift several thousand lbs- it's just the operating pressure (per square inch) of the system. I don't know the actual rated lift capacity of the D17, but I imagine a big round bale is about all it could handle.

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Kevin (FL)

04-13-2003 15:23:23




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 Re: Re: D17 Lift--Need help in reply to JMS/MN, 04-13-2003 11:47:52  
JMS/MN,

If I don't need any remote cylinders (I just want the 3-point lift to work), is there any way to remove the transport valve and blank the opening?

Do I actually need the two outside lines running to the transport valve? I removed the side cover to get a good look at the linkages and fitting on top of the housing. The line that runs over to the tee fitting (where the traction booster gauge connects) is a tubing fitting thread and I don't have a way to plug it off.

By the way, does anyone know what the flat bar lever is on the top of the housing? On this tractor, it's not connected to anything and I can move it forward or aft. Checked both my manuals and didn't see any reference to it.

Thanks for any help. All my implements are 3-point and if I can't get this lift working then I'll be getting a different tractor.

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Jeff

04-13-2003 04:11:51




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 Re: D17 Lift--Need help in reply to Kevin (FL), 04-12-2003 21:06:49  

I have a 1958 D-17 diesel, mine has two lines like yours does. One, the pressure, is orange, the other is galvanized, looks like an added option. The tractor has never been repainted and has low hours. The rear lift on mine won't lift any thing heavy(800lbs.round bale). I have #3,400 at the rear outlet so I figure the problem is in the ram for the lift, or in the hose going to it(44 years old). I hope this has been of help. Jeff

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Kevin (FL)

04-13-2003 11:02:47




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 Re: Re: D17 Lift--Need help in reply to Jeff, 04-13-2003 04:11:51  
Jeff,

I'll put back the 2nd line--that's for sure. When I got this tractor it had a couple of hoses coming off of tee fittings connected to the transport valve on the rear. The hoses went to a two-way valve like a log-splitter valve. I was told to remove this valve from the circuit to make the lift work properly. I did this but nothing worked. I then installed one of the hoses between one of the lines and the fitting on top of the transport valve (right above the relief vallve adjustment knob). This made the lift work, but I had little if any control of position. When I lifted all the way up, the traction booster gauge pegged and you could hear the relief valve (or the pump pistons) really chattering. It seems my pump has loads of pressure and the lift seems to have plenty of muscle, bu no control of height and I'm concerned about damage to the internal components. Any way you could email some photos of the transport valve on your '58 and/or send some info about any extra jumper hoses or anything that might help the lift work properly?

Thanks for the help--this has been quite frustrating.

Kevin

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