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7060 allis chalmers WON'T START

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zak

03-07-2003 17:32:30




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I'VE PURCHASED THE TRACTOR ABOUT 2 MONTHS AGO AND CAN'T GET IT RUNING,TRYED ETHER ,GOT IT PLUGED IN IT CRANKS OVER GOOD BUT IT WILL NOT FIRE. IS THERE A PRE HEAT ON THIS TRACTOR,ITS BEEN SITING FOR A WHILE, WOULD APPRECIATE ANY INPUT .THANKS




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dan

03-17-2003 18:25:46




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 Re: 7060 allis chalmers WON'T START in reply to zak, 03-07-2003 17:32:30  
There is a preheat on the key switch. Turn the key past on it should spring back when released. The preheater on my 7040 doesnt work but the switch acts the same. It must be a rare one! With over 9000hrs on it, it will start in 10 degree weather with no ether or heater.



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bill

03-09-2003 17:21:03




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 Re: 7060 allis chalmers WON'T START in reply to zak, 03-07-2003 17:32:30  
We gotta know, did it go yet?????



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big orange

03-09-2003 14:56:34




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 Re: 7060 allis chalmers WON'T START in reply to zak, 03-07-2003 17:32:30  
When cranking is there any smoke out the exhaust? If not your not getting fuel.



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Otto

03-09-2003 11:06:32




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 Re: 7060 allis chalmers WON'T START in reply to zak, 03-07-2003 17:32:30  
Yeah I agree with post below, try that first, we also had 7580, needed nitro to start, fuel would lose prime all the time, allis said it was roosa masters fault, never did get it fixed, they just passed the buck, we finaly got rid of it , and took a beaten on that too,got smart too late,



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Whatever Bill/Otto

03-10-2003 20:38:31




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 Re: Re: 7060 allis chalmers WON'T START in reply to Otto, 03-09-2003 11:06:32  
Check your numbers



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Bill

03-09-2003 10:40:58




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 Re: 7060 allis chalmers WON'T START in reply to zak, 03-07-2003 17:32:30  
I think you will need to prime the fuel system we had a 7580 that would do same thing your manuel should tell how to do this Good luck; as soon as you get it running trade it off, no allis is a good allis;;;;;;



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Aaron

03-08-2003 16:11:17




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 Re: 7060 allis chalmers WON'T START in reply to zak, 03-07-2003 17:32:30  
Are you sure you have the fuel shut off in the cab set right? I forget which is which way is which, but it's backwards of what most run. I almost want to say that pulling it out turn the fuel on, and pushing it in shuts ot off. Might want to find a manual and read.
Aaron



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otto

03-09-2003 11:08:54




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 Re: Re: 7060 allis chalmers WON'T START in reply to Aaron, 03-08-2003 16:11:17  
allis is backwards to everything out there.



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John

03-09-2003 05:27:58




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 Re: Re: 7060 allis chalmers WON'T START in reply to Aaron, 03-08-2003 16:11:17  
The black knob is pulled out for fuel on a 70 series AC. The 80 series used the idle stop like most of the tractors of that era. But the AC goes back to the D series for sure that "back or out" was fuel "on" position until the 80 series, they changed. Also when OHd the dealer(not AC) had the exact same problem that you are experiencing with my 8030. If the injection pump has been pulled and put back on, it can be 180 degrees off on timing. This could be why it has sat for a while, someone did pump work and didn't ever get it to start again. Knowing AC quirks myself is the only reason the dealer got my 8030 to start for them. I was told that they had never heard of such a thing yet I know of a couple of their models that can be timed 180 out too. Good Luck!

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kevin

03-07-2003 18:46:39




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 Re: 7060 allis chalmers WON'T START in reply to zak, 03-07-2003 17:32:30  
Zak,

I'm not familiar with that particular model, but since you mentioned ether, I'll assume it's a diesel. I'll also assume you're up there in snow country somewhere. First, is the tractor supposed to be a "runner"? If it's got bad rings or valves, the compression may be too low to support ignition. If it's supposed to be a runner and it won't start with ether, the only thing that jumps out at me is no compression. I would also say bad injection pump, clogged filters or water in the filters, but since ether's not working, then it points back to REAL LOW compression--caused by either bad valves or
rings or valve timing off. On a diesel which typically has a gear-driven camshaft, that would mean a broken cam or something broken on the crank gear, cam gear or an idler gear. Pull the valve cover and watch for rocker arm action while turning the engine over. You can also make sure the fuel system is purged of any air and if possible you can crack the fuel line nuts on the injectors while cranking--do this one at a time and watch and listen for fuel spray. Be careful not to let the fuel hit your skin or eyes. If the pump's working good you can get a serious injury from the fuel spraying at high pressure!!!

A less likely possibility--a clogged air filter. And lastly--my old D17 has a fuel shut-off lever--make sure that's in the correct position. Again though--the ether should ignite on the first or second revolution. At least you should see the engine stop rotation or knock when the ether tries to fire off.

I thought of one more possibility right before I sent this--you could have a blown head gasket, but it would almost have to be blown on every cylinder. It seems that you'd at least hear some firing on the "good" cylinders. Just thought I'd mention that too. Check the oil for milky color and check the radiator for oil mixing in the coolant.

Hope something here helps--maybe others more familiar with that model can add more pertinent info. Good luck with it.

Kevin (FL)

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john

03-07-2003 21:47:46




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 Re: Re: 7060 allis chalmers WON'T START in reply to kevin, 03-07-2003 18:46:39  
I had AC all my life, and some don't like to start if it is cold,I had one that if you walked past with a snow cone in July it would not start.
Also you should be sure your fuel or filter didn't jel up.



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