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Robert Thomas

02-26-2003 20:25:18




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I have a D-17 Allis-Chalmers with a single front wheel.Is it a stanard feature on the tractor or was it a take off from a cotton picker? Please let me know if u know anything.Thanks Robert.




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Eldon

02-26-2003 20:58:02




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 Re: allis d17 in reply to Robert Thomas, 02-26-2003 20:25:18  

6.5 x 16 was the optional single front or 9.00 x 10 for the high crop. If it was from a cotton picker it would probably have the 262 6 cyl. cid gas engine.



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trevor

02-27-2003 18:11:04




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 Re: Re: allis d17 in reply to Eldon, 02-26-2003 20:58:02  
Is there any way on paper or publication that a d17 had the 262 gas engine in it from the factory. Dont care if it was only a few in cotton pickers. this information would be greatly help me



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Eldon

02-27-2003 19:53:59




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 Re: Re: Re: allis d17 in reply to trevor, 02-27-2003 18:11:04  

According to Swinford's book only the cotton pickers got a 262 gas....none from the factory as the drivetrain wasn't rated for that many horses.



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Bruce

02-28-2003 07:52:02




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: allis d17 in reply to Eldon, 02-27-2003 19:53:59  
do you have just the tractor itself. Because if so it is a high clearance tractor used in cotton for going between rows. Now the cotton pickers used the D17 for the base and the engine were for the 616 cotton picker 226 power crater gas engine while the 622 offered both the gas 226 and the diesel 262. I have this in a book called The Allis Chalmers Story. By C. H. Wendel Hope this helps



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Eldon

02-28-2003 08:25:02




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: allis d17 in reply to Bruce, 02-28-2003 07:52:02  

The 622 was given D19 power with the 262 gas or the 262 turbo diesel according to Norm Swinford. It also states that AC didn't recommend converting these to tractors as the power train probably would not hold up.



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Bruce

02-28-2003 10:55:06




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: allis d17 in reply to Eldon, 02-28-2003 08:25:02  
Yes, but AC still did not put a 6 cylinder gas engine in their D17 model tractors or their D17 modle cotton pickers. The only 6 cylinder engines in the D17 was a diesel



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Eldon

02-28-2003 11:16:55




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: allis d17 in reply to Bruce , 02-28-2003 10:55:06  

Not to argue but.....Norm Swinford worked for AC for 30 years....I would take his data over
Wendell's...plus there's a guy in AZ that has a 6 cyl 262 gas D17 converted from a cotton picker that has posted on the AC page a while back.



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Bruce

02-28-2003 12:11:53




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: allis d17 in reply to Eldon, 02-28-2003 11:16:55  
Well I beg to differ. The book I am looking at has 3 whole pages on the D17 with test results and all. The 226 was the 4 cylinder gas engine with a 4 x 4 1/2 inch bore and stroke and rated at 1650 rpms. The 262 was the 6 cylinder diesel engine with a 3 9/16 x4 3/8 inch bore and stroke also rated at 1650 rpms. So if he can remember all of that from 36 years ago since they have not built one since 1967 I will shut up.

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Dale

03-02-2003 06:28:31




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: allis d17 in reply to Bruce , 02-28-2003 12:11:53  
I know for a fact that they put a 262 in the 622 Cotton picker because I have a tractor with one in it set up for a cotton picker but someone has scraped the picker. Fell free to stop and look at it anytime your in ohio.



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Eldon

02-28-2003 12:25:41




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: allis d17 in reply to Bruce , 02-28-2003 12:11:53  

Bruce now you are talking tractors again.....we were talking about the D17 tractor used as a platform for the Model 622 cotton picker. AC found that they were underpowered in irrigated cotton so they upped the power to the 262 gas or the 262 TURBO diesel. It was possible to convert these higher HP units back to a D17 tractor but AC did not recommend it because that would mean running D19 power through a D17 drivetrain. I can send you a scan if you don't believe me. GEESH!

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Bruce

02-28-2003 12:42:48




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: allis d17 in reply to Eldon, 02-28-2003 12:25:41  
Eldon I do want to thank you for the discussion on old AC tractors I collect quite a few myself and I am enjoying the conversation. Thanks again Bruce



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Bruce

02-28-2003 12:38:37




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: allis d17 in reply to Eldon, 02-28-2003 12:25:41  
I know this. You said that the 622 was powered by the D19 in your early response. Did you not? The D19 did come out with a 262 gas engine which was a 6 cylinder engine that produced a little over 70 hp. But there has never been a 6 cylinder gas engine put in a D17 from the Allis Chalmers factory. I have read of some conversions for pulling tractors but not factory.



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Eldon

02-28-2003 12:44:33




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: allis d17 in reply to Bruce , 02-28-2003 12:38:37  

I said the 622 cotton picker was given D19 power..... not that a D19 tractor was used.



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Bruce

02-28-2003 15:14:47




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: allis d17 in reply to Eldon, 02-28-2003 12:44:33  
After further reading I came across this the 622 cotton picking unit was mounted on a D17 tractor but came with the option of 2 engines. 1 was the 262 diesel and the 2 was the was the 262 turbocharged diesel no mention of the 262 gas engine used in the D19. Yes AC did suggest that you not use the the turbocharged diesel in the standard tractor unit when using it as a tractor without the picker.

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Eldon

02-28-2003 16:06:56




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: allis d17 in reply to Bruce, 02-28-2003 15:14:47  

Bruce I would suggest you buy "Allis Chalmers Farm Equipment 1914-1985" by Norm Swinford. It is known as one of the most complete and interesting books on Allis Chalmers. When you get it look on page 357....it's all there in black and white.



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Bruce

02-28-2003 21:13:28




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: allis d17 in reply to Eldon, 02-28-2003 16:06:56  
Eldon I suggest you buy the the book The Allis Chalmers Story by C H Wendel it is the complete story on the Allis Chalmers Corporation from everything they have built does your book tell you how big they were in sawmills or the making of paper did you know that they even made a washing machine so do not tell me I do not know what I am talking about so I suggest you purchase this book.



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Eldon

03-01-2003 12:00:00




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: allis d17 in reply to Bruce, 02-28-2003 21:13:28  

The first book I read on Allis Chalmers was the Allis Chalmers story. It is a very interesting book. I've read about 5 more since then and the consensus is that Norm's book is the most accurate and detailed. I agree.....Wendell was an historian, Swinford worked for AC as a field rep for 30 years. I believe he would have access to more information and literature than Wendell did. I have never run across anyone who disagreed....except you!

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