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Is this Ebay item an IB ???

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Ron

02-15-2003 07:28:24




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I ran across this on Ebay: item # 2508100162

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The serial number shows it to be a 1940 model B. Yet, it appears to be an IB. Is this some sort of military tractor ?




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Phil Auten (TX)

02-17-2003 08:08:26




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 Re: Is this Ebay item an IB ??? in reply to Ron, 02-15-2003 07:28:24  
There are a couple of things missing that should be on a real IB. There should be a hand parking brake and a foot throttle. I cannot see either of these things. As for the seat, it looks like it could be correct (per Terry Dean's book). The front axle seems to be correct. I am not 100% sure about the battery box, looks like it is in the wrong place to me. I think this might be what I've seen called an "orchard B". A lot like the IB, but without some of the IB's features.

Phil

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CHALMERSBOB

02-16-2003 13:34:39




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 Re: Is this Ebay item an IB ??? in reply to Ron, 02-15-2003 07:28:24  
THE MORE I LOOK AT IT AND COMPARE IT TO A PICTURE I HAVE IN "THE ALLIS CHALMERS STORY" THE MORE WRONG IT LOOKS. THE ANGLE OF THE STEERING WHEEL SHAFT IS THE SAME AS THE B AND NOT THE STEEPER ANGLE OF THE IB.
HAS ME PUZZLED.
BOB



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CHALMERSBOB

02-16-2003 13:34:29




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 Re: Is this Ebay item an IB ??? in reply to Ron, 02-15-2003 07:28:24  
THE MORE I LOOK AT IT AND COMPARE IT TO A PICTURE I HAVE IN "THE ALLIS CHALMERS STORY" THE MORE WRONG IT LOOKS. THE ANGLE OF THE STEERING WHEEL SHAFT IS THE SAME AS THE B AND NOT THE STEEPER ANGLE OF THE IB.
HAS ME PUZZLED.
BOB



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Ron (with another question)

02-15-2003 20:29:58




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 Re: Is this Ebay item an IB ??? in reply to Ron, 02-15-2003 07:28:24  
If this were the "real deal", would anyone hazard a guess as to what fair value would be ?



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steve

02-16-2003 07:30:04




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 Re: Re: Is this Ebay item an IB ??? in reply to Ron (with another question), 02-15-2003 20:29:58  
If it was built after 1946 and the serial number said IB and it had the c-channel frame, and it was in this condition it would bring $3500. Maybe more if the paont was nice. Being built much earlier, having the wrong seat, wrong alternator, having a B serial number, and not being able to prove it was not converted over, i think $1500 would be plenty. It is an interesting little lookinjg tractor and, if he can convince one guy it is a IB..... .thats all it takes.

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CHALMERSBOB

02-16-2003 13:22:45




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 Re: Re: Re: Is this Ebay item an IB ??? in reply to steve, 02-16-2003 07:30:04  
THE IB MODELS BUILT BEFORE THE WAR HAD THE SAME SERIAL NO. SEQUENCE AS THE REGUALR B. IT WAS BUILT WITHOUT THE CHANNEL AROUND THE ENGINE. APPROX. 260 UNITS WERE BUILT BETWEEN 1939 & 1941 USING THE B SERIAL #'S. THAT IS THE CORRECT SEAT FOR THE IB.
BOB



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Ron (is there any way to determine if this tractor is a real IB ?)

02-16-2003 20:22:43




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Is this Ebay item an IB ??? in reply to CHALMERSBOB, 02-16-2003 13:22:45  
I am wondering how to truly identify this tractor. Did A.C. have any production numbers on the pre-war IB's ?



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steve

02-17-2003 19:02:40




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Is this Ebay item an IB ??? in reply to Ron (is there any way to determine if this tractor is a real IB ?), 02-16-2003 20:22:43  
no numbers prior to the war on the IB. The photo has the old B fenders and seat frame for the "bench seat. the pan seat looks like a IB, but the brackets to hold it on are homemade. the IB should have foot rests of thin plates and i see none. the brake rods from the pedal to the rear housing are not visible in the photos. the IB rods go above the axle. too many things wrong to believe it was a IB.

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steve

02-15-2003 12:21:31




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 Re: Is this Ebay item an IB ??? in reply to Ron, 02-15-2003 07:28:24  
its hard to say for sure. the first IB models made prior to the war were just converted "B". They did not have IB in their serial number or the C channel frame around them at this time. I do believe they had the same rear fenders as the WD45. This photo shows the B version of the fenders used on the "steel wheel" units during the war. The real kicker is the front axle appears to be what was used on the later IB tractors, or the guy has done a very good job of building a copy. With the wrong fenders and the wrong mounts for the fenders, and the good job of rebuilding and installation of the 1`2 volt alternator, i am also guessing the guy built his own front axle and is now passing a modifiesd B off as a IB. might get about twice as much if people believe it. I have looked at converting a B myself in this same manner, and it is very easy, cept for the fender and axle as i said.

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steve

02-15-2003 12:31:38




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 Re: Re: Is this Ebay item an IB ??? in reply to steve, 02-15-2003 12:21:31  
also the tractor has the wrong seat, not the IB bracket to hold it on. the tractor has sheetmeal under the steering wheel with a big "gap" in the area that a battery would set on a regular "B". THe later B had a short tube connecting the motor to the transmission which eleminated this big "gap", but some of the earlier IB did use the long torque tube from the B. By looking at the alternator, i am not sure it had a generator bracket mounted to the motor. Battery and alternator may be an after thought.

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Chris

02-15-2003 09:41:16




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 Re: Is this Ebay item an IB ??? in reply to Ron, 02-15-2003 07:28:24  
The IB's I have seen had a channel iron rail around the engine and grill. This one looks like a home made lowering job. Doesn't look like they did too bad a job of it though. The early ones did not have diferent serial numbers 1939 -1946.



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