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Allis ca motor dies when clutch is released

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02-08-2003 05:49:33

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just purchased this tractor.guy who owned it before was using brushhawg when it quit working.a guy from work suggested splitting the tractor at the transmission.then trying to start and let the clutch out and if that works, then it would be the clutch itself.thinks maybe the previous owner hit something hard and spun the clutch plates and maybe jammed a spring in there somewhere.any help would be appreciated.

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02-08-2003 21:07:28

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 Re: allis ca motor dies when clutch is released in reply to scott , 02-08-2003 05:49:33  
if it locked up when he was running a bush hog, i would assume the hog hit something and damaged the pto internal. i would take off the rear cover/pto/hydraulic pump and then look around. see if it is not locked then. that should narrow down if it is in the rear end or forward on the clutch-transmission.

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02-08-2003 07:38:34

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 Re: allis ca motor dies when clutch is released in reply to scott , 02-08-2003 05:49:33  
Scott, How did you get this tractor home? If it rolls ok when not running its not in two gears at the same time unless you have the clutch locked out when rolling.What do the fluids look like in the tranny? If its full of water and crud this could be part of the problem. Also, be sure the pto is disengaged. The pto lever should be pushed forward/ down. If it is engaged the hydralic pump will be trying to work and this could be part of the problem. A stuck piston or crud in there could be the culpit, or could be a problem with the pto/ belt pully ( a broken gear tooth in the wrong place or something).Need more info. Will it idle in nuetral? What happens when you manually activate the governor (may not be getting enough fuel to handle a cold take off)? Get up to temperture ( 170 degrees) and see what happens. Push lift lever down and try to engage the pto while in nuetral and see what happens. Try and eliminate some things.Let us know. Dale

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02-09-2003 05:23:54

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 Re: Re: allis ca motor dies when clutch is released in reply to Dale(MS), 02-08-2003 07:38:34  
dale(ms),we had to load tractor with cumalongs, had to push foot clutch and pull back on the final drive clutch to get it to move. took the transmission cover off, the fluid had one little drop of water in it,felt around bottom of housing didnt feel any debris(like dirt or metal). tractor will not idle in neutral only with foot clutch pressed in. i hope this will help with any more suggestions.thanx!!!!

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02-09-2003 08:38:47

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 Re: Re: Re: Re: allis ca motor dies when clutch is released in reply to Dale(MS), 02-09-2003 07:37:57  
dale,just checked to see if the pto moved and it wouldnt even move an 1/8 of an inch.when i had the transmission cover off gears didnt look bad. i could move reverse idler gear,first gear would twitch a little,2nd gear would slide. when i slid reverse idler back i could spin right rear wheel(jacked off the ground).i guess next i will pull differential cover off and see what that looks like.thanx for all your help sofar.

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02-10-2003 16:29:15

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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: allis ca motor dies when clutch is released in reply to scott, 02-09-2003 08:38:47  
scott, if you slide the reverse idler around and it apparently gets into neutral, you siad you can rotate the rear wheel with it off the ground. sounds like the final drive gears and the bevel gear in the differential must be working o.k. ? right? maybe i missed something but it sounds like you are telling us the transmission lockes when put in gear. i think i would jack the back end up an inch off the ground and run a few more tests. still cannot hurt to take the back cover off and look at the differential area, not much harm in that. i think i would see the weheels roll and figure out which gear it is in. when you move the transmission lever do the geawrs move?, sounds like one of them is stuck in two gears and wheels only turn when you get it into neutral?

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02-11-2003 18:50:41

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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: allis ca motor dies when clutch is released in reply to steve, 02-10-2003 16:29:15  
Steve, I'm thinking somethings broken in the pto housing and not letting it disengage. Whats your thoughts on that. Let us know Scott. Dale

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02-08-2003 06:05:02

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 Re: allis ca motor dies when clutch is released in reply to scott , 02-08-2003 05:49:33  
how long has it been sitting? is it real cold out? the reason i ask this is i have a wd that i bought not too long ago and does the same thing mine has watter in the trans and when you let up the clutch it will kill the motor if i chain the clutch pedel down and let it run for about 15 min the heat will thaw it and works fine i dont use it only to run a log splitter right now and when it warms up out im going to change the trans/rear end fluid....just my 2 cents

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