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Model C Paint Code for Rims

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Rob

02-07-2003 04:26:55




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Does anyone have a paint code for the rims of a 1947 C? I have seen several posting for the orange paint, but not the rims. I have also seen some C's with the outer part of the front rim painted silver and some not. What is the correct (original) scheme?

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Phil Auten (TX)

02-09-2003 10:43:47




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 Re: Model C Paint Code for Rims in reply to Rob, 02-07-2003 04:26:55  
This is truly a difficult subject to get to the truth on. Every "expert" has his/her opinion. One of the problems that has to be overcome is the fact that Allis-Chalmers (and almost every other tractor manufacturer) got their wheels and rims from a variety of vendors, each with their own manufacturing practices and quality schemes. Rear rims came from Firestone, Goodyear, B.F.Goodrich and other tire manufacturers. Front wheels were most likely a similar situation. A-C used wheels and wheel parts as they came in and a production run might have wheels from one manufacturer on the front and a different one on the rear. Most rim manufacturers galvanized their product so it would not rust before being installed on the tractor. However, I have seen archival photos of an I-H Cub just off the assembly line with rusty rear rims! It is possible that rims were originally painted to prevent rust and then later the painting was dropped to save a few bucks per unit. Same thing applies to pinstriping. The costs would mount up over time, so competition would cause this to keep prices down.

The only answer is "do it to suit yourself". If you are worried about originality, do as much research as you can and then make up your own mind as to what you want your tractor to look like.

I have seen rear rims that were re-galvanized, painted gray, aluminum silver, argent silver, black and orange. All of these color schemes look good on an A-C tractor!

My 2,
Phil

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Steve in N.J.

02-07-2003 18:52:51




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 Re: Model C Paint Code for Rims in reply to Rob, 02-07-2003 04:26:55  
It's funny how this wheel paint subject keeps coming up every once in a while. Whether your an author, or a novice, or an AC "guru" everyone has their own opinion about wheel paint schemes. I don't think anybody will ever know if there was actually some sort of direction that AC went with their wheel paint technics. It's like some of the GM classic car "purists" that come in my shop sometimes and start with their "well that's factory" stuff. When you ask one of the many folks who worked for GM or Ford on the assembly line during the 60's and ask them what was "factory" for that year or particular model, they look at ya like you left yer' other head home! Most of the time they'll say: "hey buddy, we had to build ex amount of automobiles a day". "How they came out, didn't matter, as long as we met the designated number for the day".... The author that Rod posted says the silver or galvanized wheels came out in the beginning of the 50's. I have a 48' B with the rear Galvanized wheels. Go figure..... LOL! Steve B.

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Rod (NH)

02-07-2003 08:08:47




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 Re: Model C Paint Code for Rims in reply to Rob, 02-07-2003 04:26:55  
Hi Rob,

Here's another opinion (below) on original rim color. For the entire article on this site, see the link. In the end it's whatever you find most likeable, unless you are doing it to please someone else.

I cannot personally confirm the "correct" color. I can remember taking my original ('42B) rear rims to the dump MANY years ago in a very rusty condition. I cannot say if they ever had any indication of being silver or galvanized or any particular color. I just wasn't into caring about rim colors at the time :o).

Quote from the article:

"Colors for rear wheels varied over the years with the early models using black rims and orange for the wheels. The C and B were produced with orange rims for much of the 40s. With the advent of the WD, AC began to use Silver for the B and CA rear rims. This occurred at the start of the 50s. Based on our research, the C was never produced with silver rims. The original color of the CA eccentrics was orange. Lug bolt/nuts followed the color of the hub which was orange. In early attempts to paint the silver on the later machines rims, I found that standard silver had a tendency to become too powdery after drying. As one drove into a rut or furrow, this paint would simply brush off. I overcame this by using a more expensive high-temp silver designed for engine use.

Front rim colors were orange throughout the line with the exception of the early 2 piece rims. These used a black rim. Though most restored machines have silver on the outer portions of the rim, we have never found a non-restored rim or any documentation that would suggest that this practice was followed prior to the D-series."

Rod

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Butch(OH)

02-07-2003 11:46:18




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 Re: Re: Model C Paint Code for Rims in reply to Rod (NH), 02-07-2003 08:08:47  
Thats an interesting article Rod, I didnt realize it was on this site. Two words an Allis paint 'spert should avoid are "always" and "never"
(I know, I'm guilty too as I re read my post below, sorry). The Allis C that was purchased new by my father rests on galvanized rear rims, or whats left of them to be exact, have some period photos stuffed somewhere too. The authors opinion of rear rim colors is not what I have seen or been told, BUT may be correct in that SOME were built that way. Another intersting side is I know of an original C, never painted and pristine that has two black pinstripes on the front rims. The owner, an Allis Guru, has factory build prints that show them too.
Tell your average A_C expert about pinstriped front wheels and watch em laugh! The so-called "correct" paint subject is always interesting for me.

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Doug (IA)

02-09-2003 08:26:44




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 Re: Re: Re: Model C Paint Code for Rims in reply to Butch(OH), 02-07-2003 11:46:18  
I purchased a '49 C this winter,ser # 71991. It has been repainted at some point. I noticed that it has a black pin stripe just inside the bead on the front rim where the new paint job has flaked off. The rear rims are galvanized and only show the the repainted orange paint on them, so I think that they may not have been painted from the factory. I noticed that they were stamped firestone when I was replacing a tire. The repalcement rim that I purchased was also off a '49 was galvanized with orange repaint flaking off and stamped Firestone.

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Butch(OH)

02-07-2003 04:41:36




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 Re: Model C Paint Code for Rims in reply to Rob, 02-07-2003 04:26:55  
The front rims are all orange. The rears were galvanized originaly. Most people use aluminum paint to approximate the look.



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