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1937 Allis WC

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Brian Molter

02-05-2003 19:42:34




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I own, and just recently restored a 37 unstyled wc. I currently have it "winterized" in my garage underneath some blankets. I have 10w-30 oil in it and 50-50 anitfreeze in the radiator. I make a special effort to turn the crank at least a few times each week. However, when I went to crank it yesterday, the motor wouldn't budge. I thought maybe the rings had seized to the walls, but surely this couldn't happen in only a week. A buddy of mine came over an hour later and we put it in 4th gear and rocked it back and forth until the old girl started to turn over. I slowly turned the crack a few times, until it started to turn with ease. After about 10 minutes, I decided to start her up and she took right off, just as quiet and clean as can be. I was just curious as to what might have caused the motor to act like that. The temperature has been lingering around the mid to upper teens for a few weeks, but I store it in a relatively warm garage. She ran as good as ever so whatever it was, must not have been too serious. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks, Brian

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Doug Klukow

02-09-2003 08:53:53




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 Re: 1937 Allis WC in reply to Brian Molter, 02-05-2003 19:42:34  
Turning an engine over without starting it will wipe the oil off the walls and can cause it to seize. I have been told the best way to store an engine is to remove the plugs and shoot a shot of oil into the cyl then replace the plugs and let set until the next time you run it.I have also been told rebuilt or tight engines are more prone to seizing up.



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TX Denny

02-06-2003 14:06:39




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 Re: 1937 Allis WC in reply to Brian Molter, 02-05-2003 19:42:34  
I agree with all of Aaron's comments. You can avoid the interaction with the transmission by putting the clutch in and rotating the hold bracket into position. Rings will seize if water gets into the cylinders from high humidity. When it sits for a long time, the oil will drain off the cylinder walls. If condensation follows, rust can happen. For some reason, Molines were more notorious than others for this problem.

Also, I do not put blankets over machines that are in storage. The blanket seems to increase the likelihood of condensation because the blanket holds down the natural heating and cooling. The blanket will permit greater temperature differences between ambiant and the steel. This promotes condensation. If you are on concrete, I wouldn't cover it at all. If dust, etc is a problem, use a very light weight cover and cover only the top. Let air get to it.

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TX Denny

02-07-2003 08:19:04




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 Re: Re: 1937 Allis WC in reply to TX Denny, 02-06-2003 14:06:39  
Just read my comment. My advice is the same if you are storing on a dirt floor. Concrete is worse for this problem than dirt but they are both bad in cold climates.



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Aaron

02-06-2003 07:05:17




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 Re: 1937 Allis WC in reply to Brian Molter, 02-05-2003 19:42:34  
Brian,
I have a 46WC and live in Michigan where the weather is in the teens here too. When I first bought the tractor, I couldn't turn the crank over at all. It turned out that it wasn't the engine froze but just below the shifter there is a gear box with a drain plug on the bottom of it. After thawing the tractor out, I pulled the plug and a lot of water poured out. I filled back up with gear oil and haven't had any problems turning the tractor over since then. Not sure if your 37 has the same drainage. Something you can take a look at. If you pull the plug, the water will drain out first then the oil will come. Just a thought.

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Dave

02-09-2003 08:48:00




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 Re: Re: 1937 Allis WC in reply to Aaron, 02-06-2003 07:05:17  
If it is winter why crank over the engine till warm weather? You may be doing more harm than good. Unless your shed is heated at all times you will get condensation. In the spring crack your drain plugs----all of them till the water drips out. If you are cranking and rotating anything in the cold or warm weather you are mixing your oils with the water. Mother nature will settle water to the bottom if you do not mix it up. Just remember 32 degrees is above freezing but a week of 40 degree weather may not thaw the frost out in your engine or gear boxes. I twisted off a oil pump doing the cranking thing once. Also the oil on your cylinder walls may not need scraping off (what you may be doing by cranking it over) This is only a opinion and should be taken as such

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