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01-09-2003 12:09:58

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For those of you looking at or buying manuals on Ebay, just wanted to provide a little info based on prior experience. Before
bidding on the manual, ask the seller how the manual is bound or stapled and also ask if it's a machine reprint or a photo copy
made on a $75 copy machine--(possibly a violation of copyright laws).

I have bought several and discovered that at least one (still looking at 'em) was a photocopy and stapled like an 8th grader's
book report. The cover image is also crooked and of poor quality. The images in the manual are pretty bad too and it's obvious
that this one was a "copy machine special". The ones that are stapled through the pages at the center crease seem to be
"original reprints". These are also printed on 11" x 17" paper as compared to the "bootleg"?? copies, printed on standard 8 1/2"
x 11" copy paper.

Maybe I'm the only one that didn't know this, as I'm kinda new to the old tractor world, but just wanted to let you good folks
know so as not to get burned.


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Dennis Benson

01-10-2003 19:06:30

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 Re: Buying Manuals on Ebay in reply to kevin, 01-09-2003 12:09:58  
Hello, I've bought manuals on Ebay, some were reprints, and some were original. The reprints I got looked good, and I didn't care if it was a reprint, I wanted it to use, like the one for my 1975 GMC C3500. I bought an old manual for the John Deere 290 planter that was obviously original, it was chewed on by a mouse, and smelled like a mouse, which went away soon. I just wanted it to be old. I just bought one for a IH 101 combine, I don't know if it is old or not, I just wanted to remember my old combine. I did think of reprinting outdated material, and had a very heavy priinting pres, and bought a reprinted manual for it, but the printing press was more difficult to get going, and I sold it for scrap. Copyrighted material before the early 1980's has different regulations, and goes into the public domain for copying. Government documents are always public domain, but I'm not offering a legal opinion.

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Old Iron

01-10-2003 13:55:22

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 Re: Buying Manuals on Ebay in reply to kevin, 01-09-2003 12:09:58  

I also buy quite a few manuals off of E-bay. One guy did try to slip me a re-print but I raised so much cane that I did get my money back. (The guy claimed he didn't know it was a re-print.)

As for getting manuals from the makers of the equipment I have not had much luck with Case-IH. Or should I say New Holland-Case-IH. I'm not sure but I think copyrights are only good for 50 years on printed material. My law dog is checking that out now. If that is the case I have some plans for the ones in my collection.

My 2 bits worth,

Old Iron

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01-10-2003 15:59:23

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 Re: Re: Buying Manuals on Ebay in reply to Old Iron, 01-10-2003 13:55:22  

I sell copies of an original AC 3pt conversions operator's manual. I do it because I know there are a lot of people that would like the information that is in this rather rare manual and there just aren't enough originals to go around. I took the manual to Kinkos to run copies and they did a thorough check for copyrights before they agreed to make copies. It seems AC never took the time to copyright any of their manuals.....who would have thought that they would be worth something some day....

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Yankee in Tn.

01-10-2003 05:43:48

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 Re: Buying Manuals on Ebay in reply to kevin, 01-09-2003 12:09:58  
It's been my experience that the origional manuals from the dealer are the best deal.Many times they are cheaper than those I see on e-bay.

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TX Denny

01-09-2003 16:41:46

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 Re: Buying Manuals on Ebay in reply to kevin, 01-09-2003 12:09:58  
Yes, this is true. But I've never had a problem because they usually are quick to point out original if it is. If they don't say original, you need to ask plenty of questions. I've bought around 100 manuals this way on Ebay and only slipped up once (I let my guard down). As far as the cost, the buyer must know what the value is and pass on it when the cost + shipping gets too high. So far, at least, another just like it will be for sale next week. I've noticed a recent trend to have price low and have a huge shipping cost.

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01-09-2003 14:44:24

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 Re: Buying Manuals on Ebay in reply to kevin, 01-09-2003 12:09:58  
Sorry to hear you got burned by the L@@K!!!WOW!!!RARE!!! jockeys on E-bay, Your friendly source of both good deals and good ream'ens. If you can wait untill the next big Allis show is near enough to attend you can usually buy nice condition originalA-C manuals from venders at the shows for less than the L@@K!! BUY IT NOW!!!!! prices for copies on E-bay. If not shoot me an E-mail and I'll send you some contact info for some dealers. Another source is your AGCO dealer, just bought a WD operators manual from them. Next time your Ebay'en read the discriptions very carefully, most of the time repro stuff carries wording to that affect. Some just do a good job of keeping it hidden behind a big dose of ORIGINAL, guess they sleep better that way?

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