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Hand crank vs. 12 volt start

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11-04-2002 10:06:11

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I've got my dad's 45 that's been converted to 12 volt. There are time's when it won't even turn over. We've tried pulling & jump starting with no luck. I've had limited success turning the switch on & using the hand crank in the front to turn it over. 2 of the last 3 times the 45 fires right off. When I turn the switch on to start it, the meter goes down so I know there's power there. It even turned over a few times on Saturday...although sparks came out of the starter.

I just don't know where to start. Anyone else have some idea's I can try.


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Duey (IA)

11-05-2002 04:56:32

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 Re: Hand crank vs. 12 volt start in reply to Randall, 11-04-2002 10:06:11  
Randall, It wouldn't hurt to put in a new set of points and condensor. 12 volt starting should be almost instant, so like the other guys said, it sounds like the problem is with the starter or the starter switch. Duey

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11-04-2002 14:00:28

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 Re: Hand crank vs. 12 volt start in reply to Randall, 11-04-2002 10:06:11  
HI Randall

If sparks are coming from starter not good!! Fix what is sparking. Bad connection or bad or loose wire. May get warm .

Make sure that it is not turning over for more than about 15 seconds and than rest it, if you get it too hot you can burn it up ( the starter).

If hard too start, try starter fuild. Check the gap on plugs, if too far apart hard to start, too close burn too cold. Make sure they are set in right range for the plug etc. .

Good Luck!!


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Steve in N.J.

11-04-2002 11:24:10

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 Re: Hand crank vs. 12 volt start in reply to Randall, 11-04-2002 10:06:11  
When you say sparks came out of the starter, do you mean out from the inside or from the battery cable lug? If it's sparking at the cable lug, it just may be corrosion causing a bad connection at the starter. I would clean all connections on both sides of the battery and starter and give her a whirl. It doesn't take long for moisture to get into the connections, especially if the tractor sits outside or in a shed. Also, take the starter motor out, and with a piece of emery cloth, sand the housing that fits in the bellhousing. This also increases starter potential because the starter self grounds itself in the bell. Hope this helps.... Steve B.

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11-04-2002 10:11:27

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 Re: Hand crank vs. 12 volt start in reply to Randall, 11-04-2002 10:06:11  
Sparks coming from the starter says you may have a starter problem. If you have power, it should turn over with no problem.

As far as hard starting, give it a good tune up....plugs, points, timing, etc. They're usually good starting tractors

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Bryan Smith

11-04-2002 11:38:29

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 Re: Re: Hand crank vs. 12 volt start in reply to Scott, 11-04-2002 10:11:27  
The easiest fixes for this - if they are the problem - would be:

- Check the battery cables for corrosion - Check the battery terminals for corrosion - Check and/or replace the starter "button" that the starter rod is connected to. These go bad and can be pushed in with no engine response. - Check the starter ground. Take it out of the tractor and check the outside of the starter where it sits in the tractor. That area is the ground for the starter - if it's rusty or corroded (on the starter or on the tractor) you'll get poor connection and hard starting. If all that doesn't help you probably need to have the starter rebuilt at a local shop - probably around $40 to $80 depending on what it needs. Another good idea is to run the battery ground cable to a point as close to the starter as possible. Our auto electric guru says that will help a lot of things - and a friend that had a few "problem" starting tractors has done it and says the tractors are no longer "problems." The battery current doesn't have to travel through all those bolts and casing connections to get to the starter, I guess.

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