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CIG BUTT IN CYLINDER HEAD

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CHERL DUMB BROAD

10-21-2002 20:03:33




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OK THOUGHT YOU GUYS WOULD LAUGH HARD AT THIS I HAD TO PUT A NEW GOVERNOR SHAFT ASSEMBLY IN MY WD GOT IT DONE TOOK FOR EVER AND HELP FROM DUEY TO GET MY TIMING BACK AND IN THE PROCESS OF TIMING IT I WAS WORKING BY MYSELF AND DISCOVERD IF I PUT A BIG DRY COTTONWOOD LEAF IN THE #1 SPARK PLUG HOLE IT IT WOULD BLOW THE LEAF OUT WHEN I HIT TDC, WELL I DID THAT FOR AWHILE BUT TIMING WAS STILL OFF SO IN MY FRUSTRATION I PICKED UP ONE OF MY OLD CIG BUTTS CLEANED IT OFF ON MY JEANS AND SET IT NEXT TO THE #1 HOLE--- LOW AND BEHOLD IT GOT SUCKED IN INSTEAD OF BLOWN OUT SO THEN I WENT AND GOT MY COMPUTER CLEANING ATTACHMENT AND STUCK IT ON A VACUUME TO TRY AND EXTRACT THE CIG BUTT AND GUESS WHAT AS I WAS PULLING THE TOOL OUT WITH THE CIG BUTT SUCKED UP, THE TOOL AND THE CIG BUTT FELL BACK INTO THE CYLINDER SO NOW I AM TAKING THE HEAD OFF HOPING IT WILL BE SITTING THERE ON THE CYLINDER AM I THINKING CORRECTLY ABOUT THIS?AND NO I HAVE NOT CRANKED THE ENGINE OVER AT LEAST I GOT THAT MUCH GOIN FOR ME.

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Dave k

10-25-2002 17:49:55




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 Re: CIG BUTT IN CYLINDER HEAD in reply to CHERL DUMB BROAD, 10-21-2002 20:03:33  
I think all of us have done some dumb tricks like this. My really stupid one was with my 1948 JD model A (yes I do have a green and yellow one too!) Anyway my powertroll (JD Speakease for Hyd lift) was erratic and I figured there was some dirt in the valves internally. Tore it all down, cleaned it real well, reseated the valves etc. Put all back together added fresh oil and started her up. Lift arms went up and stayed there! Took out oil drain plug and out comes shredded pieces of a red grease rag! Then I "remembered" stuffing a rag in there to keep dirt out of the valves while doing other things! Well that one piece shop rag must have turned into 5000 little rags! Guess the gear style pump just chewed away on it. Talk about another good tear down and cleaning trying to get every little thread out of the system!! Reminded me of those doctors that sew people up with tools still inside! It did work after I got it together but what a waste of quite a few hours!

Dave

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JD790

10-24-2002 16:35:15




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 Re: CIG BUTT IN CYLINDER HEAD in reply to CHERL DUMB BROAD, 10-21-2002 20:03:33  
This could get expensive if your tractor gets hooked on cigs! Can't hardly afford cigs for One! Fire it up! That butt will burn!



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cherl dumb broad

10-23-2002 11:07:17




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 Re: CIG BUTT IN CYLINDER HEAD in reply to CHERL DUMB BROAD, 10-21-2002 20:03:33  
when you guys say handcrank does that mean use the old hand crank starter to hand turn the engine up to #1 it stiil has the handcrank but has been converted to 12v.? i have the flywheel cover off but i can't seem to find anything to latch onto to crank it from underneath there.
BY THE WAY THANKS FOR ALL THE HELP AND SUPPORT THIS BOARD WORKS BETTER THAN HIGH BLOOD PRESSURE PILLS.



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Duey (IA)

10-23-2002 15:01:23




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 Re: Re: CIG BUTT IN CYLINDER HEAD in reply to cherl dumb broad, 10-23-2002 11:07:17  
Ya Cherl,
Hand crank is still that crooked thingie that goes in the hole in the front radiator shroud that turns the front crankshaft pulley and is turned by hand. Duey



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Duey (IA)

10-23-2002 15:04:30




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 Re: Re: Re: CIG BUTT IN CYLINDER HEAD in reply to Duey (IA), 10-23-2002 15:01:23  
Sorry Cherl,
I was thinking a "C". Brian is correct. Duey



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Bryan Smith

10-23-2002 12:52:16




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 Re: Re: CIG BUTT IN CYLINDER HEAD in reply to cherl dumb broad, 10-23-2002 11:07:17  
Yep. Take all the plugs out (label the spark plug wires first - that'll save you some effort later!) to make it easier. Make sure the ignition is off - you DON'T want to have a kick-back break an arm. Then slowly crank it over with that hand crank in the front to get it where you need it to be. You'll need to push in in that crank to get it engaged - it's spring loaded to keep it away from the crankshaft when you're not using the hand crank.

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Scooter

10-23-2002 15:05:54




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 Re: Re: Re: CIG BUTT IN CYLINDER HEAD in reply to Bryan Smith, 10-23-2002 12:52:16  
Boy, if that thing kicks back with all of the plugs out it is some tractor!!! (-:



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Bryan Smith

10-23-2002 08:20:48




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 Re: CIG BUTT IN CYLINDER HEAD in reply to CHERL DUMB BROAD, 10-21-2002 20:03:33  
I can't laugh since it sounds like something that just might happen to me .....! I'd try the grabbing tool mentioned below before I removed the head. If you can get the computer vacuum tool part out, the cigarette butt may just burn up during normal operation - or might fly out the spark plug hole while it's turning over. It *shouldn't* cause a problem since it's not hard like metal or sand ... but you never know. Weird things happen.

Sure hate for you to have to take the head off to get that stuff out ....!

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moonlite

10-23-2002 03:53:51




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 Re: CIG BUTT IN CYLINDER HEAD in reply to CHERL DUMB BROAD, 10-21-2002 20:03:33  
Is your butt in your head or is your head in your butt?



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Sid

10-22-2002 20:37:23




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 Re: CIG BUTT IN CYLINDER HEAD in reply to CHERL DUMB BROAD, 10-21-2002 20:03:33  
I do not think I would consider this a dumb thing frustrating maybe funny perhaps Show me someone who has not done something along this line and you will have someone who has not tried very hard. It coulda worked it shoulda worked. It shows you were thinking, not just throwing up your hands and quitting. Good Luck



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Glenn(WV)

10-22-2002 19:17:19




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 Re: CIG BUTT IN CYLINDER HEAD in reply to CHERL DUMB BROAD, 10-21-2002 20:03:33  
I don't think that the computer cleaning tool would blow out the exhaust, lol. Go to an autoparts store and get some "mechanical fingers." It's a long, narrow, flexible tool with a spring-loaded plunger on top; push in the plunger and the fingers come out of the other end. Grab the tool, release the plunger, and pull it out. Do the same for the butt. With a little practice, it should do the trick. Good luck!

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Bob

10-22-2002 16:53:03




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 Re: CIG BUTT IN CYLINDER HEAD in reply to CHERL DUMB BROAD, 10-21-2002 20:03:33  
In a low compression engine such as a WC, the ciggy butt shouldn't hurt a thing. Crank it up and lit 'er rip!



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Sheila

10-22-2002 15:58:50




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 Re: CIG BUTT IN CYLINDER HEAD in reply to CHERL DUMB BROAD, 10-21-2002 20:03:33  
Glad to see you arent only female who enjoys AC tractors.



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TimC

10-22-2002 12:07:24




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 Re: CIG BUTT IN CYLINDER HEAD in reply to CHERL DUMB BROAD, 10-21-2002 20:03:33  
put two sided tape on the end of a wooden dowel and pick your stuff back up.



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Don LC

10-22-2002 09:08:59




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 Re: CIG BUTT IN CYLINDER HEAD in reply to CHERL DUMB BROAD, 10-21-2002 20:03:33  
Take all the plugs out....the engine will turn easier....put the tractor in nutral.....slowly turn the engine bachwards....(you could put it in high gear and have someone rock the tractor backwards,with the rear wheel while you watch at the hole with a pair of needle nose pliers)since the piston was on the intake stroke maybe the piston is not at the bottom yet......It just might come back out the hole.....the cig. butt will burn up, when you start the engine.....

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Sam#3

10-22-2002 07:54:29




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 Re: CIG BUTT IN CYLINDER HEAD in reply to CHERL DUMB BROAD, 10-21-2002 20:03:33  
You can probably sue the tobacco company for your damage and expense.
Seriously, The butt would burn out(they're made to do that).
I'm not familiar with the WD but there must be some way to turn the engine by hand. Crank, wrench on the crankshaft or a pry on the ring gear?



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Steve in N.J.

10-21-2002 21:26:40




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 Re: CIG BUTT IN CYLINDER HEAD in reply to CHERL DUMB BROAD, 10-21-2002 20:03:33  
Cherl,
If you slowly turn the engine over by hand real slow and bring #1 up to TDC (top dead center) you would be bringing the cigarette butt and your attachment up to you. From there you may be able to draw both out with your vacuum since the piston will be up top. Take the other spark plugs out so the engine is easier to turn over. You should be able to get them out then without removing the cylinder head. Just a thought....
Good Luck! By the way, don't be to harsh on yourself I've seen a lot worst... Steve B.

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CJ

10-21-2002 21:02:52




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 Re: CIG BUTT IN CYLINDER HEAD in reply to CHERL DUMB BROAD, 10-21-2002 20:03:33  
Just start it! Maybe the butt will blow out the exhaust!



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