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AC 301 engine in D19

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RFC in NY

09-13-2002 07:13:54




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Is the AC 301 engine better than the D262 and would this engine fit in a D17 or D19 or even a WD45? Also noticed that not much is written or discussed about the D19 good or bad. Why? What are its strong points and weak points. Is there any out there for sale to restore.




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smooth criminal

09-19-2002 15:12:52




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 Re: AC 301 engine in D19 in reply to RFC in NY, 09-13-2002 07:13:54  
a d-19 will accept a 301.iown one.took two years to build and i pull in the 6000lb hot farm class. it puts out over 250 horsepower and the rear-end is not weak.



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John

09-13-2002 14:44:16




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 Re: AC 301 engine in D19 in reply to RFC in NY, 09-13-2002 07:13:54  
The Buda 262 was a good engine if not stressed. They did not like to be shut down hot and in the D19's case, lugging was a killer. Both would create head problems and lugging on the 19 caused sleeve and crank problems. Most of the surviving D19s have been snapped up and restored, the D17D is still in the working class of tractors. D17 are becoming more of a collector's item too. The 301 is a much bigger and heavier built engine. With modifications to the frame, clutch and cooling system a 301 can be squeezed into the frame of a 17 or 19. Remember that the 262 was at full output in the D19, 65 hp and the 301 is just starting in it's hp range at 65 hp. 301 hp range is 65-140 hp, putting it in a smaller AC, something is likely to give behind the engine. The 190/190XT were proof of that.

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RFC in NY

09-13-2002 15:41:39




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 Re: Re: AC 301 engine in D19 in reply to John, 09-13-2002 14:44:16  
2 questions

1- which AC model tractor does the AC 301 engine work the best in

2- What about using the D19 262 gas engine in a D17 or WD45 - same problem? too much engine?



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John

09-13-2002 21:41:38




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 Re: Re: Re: AC 301 engine in D19 in reply to RFC in NY, 09-13-2002 15:41:39  
I have had the AC301 in the 180, 190XT, 7000, 7020, F & M2 Gleaners and as long as they had a water filter on them to stop cavitation all were great engines, from 65 hp to 145 hp. Normally that engine would tear up components behind them. I have seen several 262 gases put in D17's, have to use the diesel side rails and 1 301 put in a D17D. It reminded me of Norm Swinford's picture of the 8095 with the Komatsu hanging out. Lengthened and widened frame to get it to fit. Owner was running a 180 pump setting on it. Had a nice purr!

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Leroy

09-16-2002 18:32:34




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: AC 301 engine in D19 in reply to John, 09-13-2002 21:41:38  
John -- I got a quick question regarding this water filter on the 301 engines. I have a 180 myself. I love this tractor. What type of filter, where is the installation and how can I get one. Thanks in advance. Leroy



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Scott (MO)

09-13-2002 19:18:12




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 Re: Re: Re: AC 301 engine in D19 in reply to RFC in NY, 09-13-2002 15:41:39  
I'm not sure about the 262 in a wd45 , but a lot of people have put the 262 gas in 17's. If I'm not mistaken , I believe the gas 262 has more HP than the diesel in the D19. I think the D19 diesel has around 63-65 hp and the gas D19 had around 75 hp. It's true the D19 diesel didn't like to get shut down hot. Something else that I think contributed to the head problem was the Turbo. That engine seem to perform reasonably well in the D17 w/o a turbo , but when the turbo was added on the D19 , it seem to be a lot of pressure added, causing blown head gaskets. The D19 also had a weak rearend. But, I have to say that they were a smooth driving tractor and I love the sound of that turbo winding down when you shut the fuel off.

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Allis mechanic

09-14-2002 13:17:19




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: AC 301 engine in D19 in reply to Scott (MO), 09-13-2002 19:18:12  
Just one thing to disagree on. The transmission of the D-19 certainly wasn't weak in that tractor or in the straight 190. The problem was when the first 190-XTs came out the added power caused the failures which were addressed the follwing year and also beefed up again in 68' or 69'.



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Scott(MO)

09-14-2002 18:15:07




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: AC 301 engine in D19 in reply to Allis mechanic, 09-14-2002 13:17:19  
Yes, without a doubt , the main rearend trouble was in the 190XT's with the added HP upfront. But, there are a number of D19's out there that had ring & pinion trouble . I don't believe it was due to too much HP , they just had problems . Ours was one of them. That,s just my $.02 worth. Thanks ACMechanic for the input .

Scott



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