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TractorMike

09-10-2002 19:02:57




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Hi all. I was wondering, Do you think that an AC-B or AC-C would have any trouble handeling a old square bailer? Or do I need to get a bigger tractor? Thanks, TractorMike




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Leroy

09-16-2002 20:04:50




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 Re: Square bailing in reply to TractorMike, 09-10-2002 19:02:57  
I've been using a Farmall "H", but I'm sure either one of my Allis "C"s would be able to handle the job. The "C"s don't have as many gears for baling (2 versus 4) to select from. With big windrows first gear may be a little fast on the "C" as it can be too fast even on the "H".



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Tom

09-11-2002 16:34:30




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 Re: Square bailing in reply to TractorMike, 09-10-2002 19:02:57  
John Deere balers of some years ago had a two cylinder Wisconsin engine, not all that much power. It all depends on how hilly, how fast you want to go, and how much you have to do. If I only had 10 or 20 acres I wouldn't even think of another tractor. If I was looking at hundreds of acres of heavy hay, well, live pto would be worth it, and maybe a little more power.



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TractorMike

09-14-2002 11:35:18




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 Re: Re: Square bailing in reply to Tom, 09-11-2002 16:34:30  
Thanks, I think I would bale around 10-20 acres. I don't plan on going that fast and it would be rolling hills. I think I will give it a try. TractorMike



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Carl in WI

09-11-2002 10:15:04




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 Re: Square bailing in reply to TractorMike, 09-10-2002 19:02:57  
Last week I helped bail hay in Michigan. We used a 25 HP power unit attached to a small square bailer pulled by oxen. It worked just fine.The catch was we droped the bales on the ground and picked them up later with a wagon pulled with a team of horses. It does not take allot of horsepower to run the bailer it takes more to pull a bailer and wagon full of hay.



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Caz

09-10-2002 22:42:11




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 Re: Square bailing in reply to TractorMike, 09-10-2002 19:02:57  
Last summer I baled 30 acres with my C and a NH pto baler. It was slow and hard on the brakes on the hills but it never bogged down on any hay I put into it. John



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TractorMike

09-14-2002 11:37:32




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 Re: Re: Square bailing in reply to Caz, 09-10-2002 22:42:11  
Thanks, I am going to give it a try. TractorMike



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Jim E

09-10-2002 20:27:08




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 Re: Square bailing in reply to TractorMike, 09-10-2002 19:02:57  
Get a bigger tractor-with live PTO. I've been trying to bale with my WC but keep running into some thick spots, breaking the shear bolt on the baler and then have to retime the baler.



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Jim in Michigan

09-13-2002 19:11:39




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 Re: Re: Square bailing in reply to Jim E, 09-10-2002 20:27:08  
Jim E, you shouldnt have to retime after shearing a pin,, something else must be wrong,,what kind of baler is it, I have used about all types of NH, a few JD , a Ford and a Massey,, and have never had to retime after a shear pin breaks,,, We bale now with either a WD45 or the Farmall H, but have used the 8n with no trouble.,.. I think the C will bale if you are careful,,,Jim



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Jim E

09-14-2002 05:55:28




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 Re: Re: Re: Square bailing in reply to Jim in Michigan, 09-13-2002 19:11:39  
See my last post-Thanks for the insight, I'll work on the baler some more Sunday.



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Eldon

09-10-2002 21:07:17




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 Re: Re: Square bailing in reply to Jim E, 09-10-2002 20:27:08  

My grandpa used an 8n Ford on a square baler for years.....so I;m sure a B or C in good running condition will handle one. You might have to go slower or make smaller windrows. Make sure you are at the number of strokes per minute that the manual calls for.

Jim I think if you are having to retime the baler everytime you shear the bolt you are shearing the wrong one. The one on the flywheel should go first.....

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Jim E

09-11-2002 18:50:32




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 Re: Re: Re: Square bailing in reply to Eldon, 09-10-2002 21:07:17  
The one on the flywheel is the one I keep breaking.



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Trevor

09-12-2002 08:38:53




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Square bailing in reply to Jim E, 09-11-2002 18:50:32  
The baler timing should not change if the flywheel shear bolt breaks. (At least that is the way our Massey baler was.) Shearing that bolt is no different from shutting off the PTO or shoving the clutch, it is just a little harsh.

My 2 cents



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Eldon

09-12-2002 17:27:25




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Square bailing in reply to Trevor, 09-12-2002 08:38:53  

My point exactly.....I haven't seen a baler that gets out of time by shearing the pto bolt. I would sell a baler like that real fast!



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Harold

09-11-2002 19:05:04




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Square bailing in reply to Jim E, 09-11-2002 18:50:32  
Are you using OEM shear bolts and keeping them tight? I tried grade 8 bolts and kept shearing them till I got regular shear bolts. Keeping them tight also helps. My 2cents worth.



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Jim E

09-12-2002 19:35:50




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Square bailing in reply to Harold, 09-11-2002 19:05:04  
Yep I'm using shear bolts and I'm keeping them tight when I replace them. I haven't had the baler too long and some of the problems may be my inexperience. My biggest problem is breaking strings or knots. When they break I go back and try to rebale on the next round. Then I hit a large pile of hay, snap the shear bolt and if I'm lucky I just clear out the chamber and replace the bolt otherwise.....I also had the dealer clean up a lot of things (flywheel clutch, knotter, knives) and I've greased, replaced teeth, belt, grease fittings blah blah blah. The baler was sitting for a while ($50 auction) and it's getting better but like a friend said it needs to run a while to work things out. Thanks for the comments though!! I'll keep tinkering

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Tom

09-13-2002 18:26:48




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Square bailing in reply to Jim E, 09-12-2002 19:35:50  
How much power are you using? I know a WD 45 would break the sheer bolts on a JD 24T without even trying if you got to a heavy spot in the windrow and didn't let out the hand clutch for a few seconds to let the baler digest the additional hay. What I am saying is maybe you have more power than necessary and expect the baler to handle more than it can?



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Jim E

09-14-2002 05:52:19




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Square bailing in reply to Tom, 09-13-2002 18:26:48  
My WC has around 25-30 hp. I'm not running it at full throttle (ground speed a little too fast)but I am keeping the baler ram speed close to where it should be. The baler is an IH/McCormick 37.



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