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Dae del Debbio

07-31-2002 21:09:27




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I just picked up a D17 (1958 gas) and haven't got the manual in the mail yet, but have a question about the "hand cluch / Hi-Lo selector" The tractor goes in to Low range good ,but it doesn't "snap" into hi, but it does go into HI. The neutral position is out of adjustment because it still creeps in neutral. Any special tricks to adjusting these that may not be in the manual when I get it. And is there a neutral on the hand cluch or just the HI-LO selection.

Thanks Dave,,

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Denny

08-01-2002 08:37:21




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 Re: Allis D17 in reply to Dae del Debbio, 07-31-2002 21:09:27  
They all creep in the neutral position. I even drove these when they were new and they creep a bit. This clutch wasn't designed to use for stopping and getting off. I've got a D14 and a D17 - both do it. When doing PTO work, this feature is actually useful because the tractor will creep into your work (unless the implement is quite heavy or a serious pull like a plow, etc.) I haven't had the experience with them not snapping into position but I'd guess that there is an adjustment for that. They just aren't as tight as they need to be and need to be adjusted. The books should answer that. If they don't, email and I'll find you a reference.

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RON

08-01-2002 11:49:40




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 Re: Re: Allis D17 in reply to Denny, 08-01-2002 08:37:21  
IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANY WARPED DISCS YOU SHOULD HAVE A NEUTRAL( SOMEWHAT)YOU NEED TO REMOVE THE SIDE COVER AND MOVE THE SHIMS FROM HI OR LOW INTO THE CENTER TO GET IT TO SNAP IN.DO NOT DISGUARD ANY OF THE SHIMS THIS SAME SET UP WAS USED IN INDUSTRIAL TRACTORS AS A FORWARD & REVERSE.



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JMS/MN

08-02-2002 23:45:42




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 Re: Re: Re: Allis D17 in reply to RON, 08-01-2002 11:49:40  
This setup was not used in industrial tractors- they had a shuttle clutch in the same area for FORWARD AND REVERSE- not high and low range in each speed.



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Dave Del debbio

08-03-2002 05:08:06




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Allis D17 in reply to JMS/MN, 08-02-2002 23:45:42  
We had a HD3 crawler that had the shuttle clutch, and worked on that a few times. From what it sounds like, the setup is similar to what the tractor has.

Dave,,



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Al

08-01-2002 21:09:03




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 Re: Re: Re: Allis D17 in reply to RON, 08-01-2002 11:49:40  
Warped plates could be a possiblity, but that clutch is very dependable. Three sets of shims are located in three places around the clutch assembly the outside ones are the hi and lo adjustment and these are shorter shims and what is taken out of either side must be added to the middle with a longer shim to support the clutch plates so they do not warp when loaded. You will need a hole guage and a micrometer (mikes) to do a calulation to figure out what shims need moved and longer shims will need to be purchased or made normaly as the assembly wears the smaller shims are replaced by the longer ones.
If you think you can do this please reply and I will find more infor for you.
Have you Tried to put the tractor in High gear (4th) stood on the brakes and let the foot clutch out and then engaged the clutch in each range with engine at full throttle? If the tractor stalls, Hand Clutch in that range probly OK. Creeping in netrual is normal.

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Dave Del Debbio

08-02-2002 21:42:32




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Allis D17 in reply to Al , 08-01-2002 21:09:03  
Thanks I'll try the 4th gear test. You have a name of someplace I can order a set of shims from?
Before I start messing around I might as well have what ever I might ready to install.

Dave,,



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Diesel Don

08-04-2002 08:23:44




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Allis D17 in reply to Dave Del Debbio, 08-02-2002 21:42:32  
Hey Dave,if you need a hand with this job,call ext.3617 @ work.I have the gages the other gentlemen mentioned-hole gages,mics-call me!



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watchwinder

07-31-2002 21:46:35




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 Re: Allis D17 in reply to Dae del Debbio, 07-31-2002 21:09:27  
i have a 58 also. mine doesnt snap into either one but it takes a little pressure to push the cluth in. but it does snap when you pull it out of low or high. the wrong hyd. oil will make them creep along in neutral espeially if the oil is real thick. have a good day. watchwinder.. yes there is a neutral on the hand cluth..



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Jeff

08-01-2002 03:50:14




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 Re: Re: Allis D17 in reply to watchwinder, 07-31-2002 21:46:35  

What hyd. oil should we use? I have a 1959 D-15 that creeps in nuetral also.



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