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Allis Chalmers AC-CA versus Ford 8n

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Dana Haynes

04-16-2002 08:18:27

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I'm a first time tractor buyer and am looking for opinions/information comparing the AC-CA to the Ford 8N. I'd appreciate any information.

Dana Haynes

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04-20-2002 22:53:41

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 Re: Allis Chalmers AC-CA versus Ford 8n in reply to Dana Haynes, 04-16-2002 08:18:27  
I pull old farmalls in the antique pulls four or five times a year and get to watch all kinds of tractors in all classes pull. I have always been
amazed with the performance of the little CA. There is nothing in it's class that can ever come
close to beating them. They have so much horse
and traction for their class. The CA is twice the
tractor of a 8n in my estimation. This is an unbias opinion, I have watched both of them perform.

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Don, Luling LA

04-19-2002 07:24:31

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 Re: Allis Chalmers AC-CA versus Ford 8n in reply to Dana Haynes, 04-16-2002 08:18:27  
Try the 8N board to see what they say, sure they will be biased but may give you some more insite, not that it's lacking here. I have a 9N and a D-17, no comparison of course I like both tractors.

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Phil Auten (Tx)

04-17-2002 19:16:47

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 Re: Allis Chalmers AC-CA versus Ford 8n in reply to Dana Haynes, 04-16-2002 08:18:27  
One word of warning here. Many tractors being offered as 8Ns are actually repainted 9N/2N units having been repainted to look like 8Ns. The 8N tractor has a 4-speed transmission and the 9N/2N tractors have a 3-speed trans. The real 8Ns also have a bit more power. This leaves the CA as a FAR superior tractor. As for the old wives tale about the wide front being more stable than a tricycle front, it just isn't true, and several university studies have proven this. The roll center of both types is virtually identical. There is no measurable advantage to the wide front as far as rollover is concerned. The tricycle front will also turn a good bit shorter than the wide front, tractor for tractor.
Now, My choice would be the CA as they are usually a good bit less expensive to buy, leaving you more money to spend on things like new tires, muffler, tune up, etc. Someone mentioned the A-C adapter for the snap coupler to use 3-point implements. I think there is also someone making reproductions of these. That would be the way to go, especially for a mower. Backing up a trailing mower is a real pain! A belly mower would be my second choice since they are usually quite a bit more expensive, but they are nice for finish mowing.

My 2,

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04-18-2002 19:44:05

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 Re: Re: Allis Chalmers AC-CA versus Ford 8n in reply to Phil Auten (Tx), 04-17-2002 19:16:47  
i'm so glad to see proof debunking the NF vs WF rollover crap. i get so tired of hearing you will die in a firey ball of death with a tractor crushing your body to a pulp if you have a nf tractor but a wf will go on a steeper hill safely.i've tried to explain that on a hill the're rolling at the same time but to no avail. now add a loader or let somone drive it through some steep ditches and i might like the wide front.

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Dansen in Ohio

04-18-2002 05:39:37

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 Re: Re: Allis Chalmers AC-CA versus Ford 8n in reply to Phil Auten (Tx), 04-17-2002 19:16:47  
Phil, great info about the wide vs narrow front end tractor rollovers. As a kid on a farm in Ohio, I nearly rolled a Farmall Cub while turning fast on flat ground, but never had a problem running nfe WDs. I now have a nfe CA which I bought after selling a wfe 2N. It is much more maneuverable and is considerably more 'gutsy'. I recommend the CA over the 2N/9N/8N. The only drawback is that it might be difficult for some people to get up to the seat - I guess AC assumed all farmers were athletes.

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04-17-2002 04:26:59

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 Re: Allis Chalmers AC-CA versus Ford 8n in reply to Dana Haynes, 04-16-2002 08:18:27  
Get the CA ...every one has a 8N. Go ahead and be the only one on the block with the beautiful orange tractor. The CA is a much safer tractor to drive when mowing when using the hand clutch. The mower on the 8n will push you around thru the PTO.But, I am biased having grown up on a wide front CA on my grandpas farm. There are plenty of AC snap-coupler implements around and you can get a snap-coupler hitch from WOODS to put on a 3pt. mower. I have one on my WD that I adapted to a LANDPRIDE mower that works very well.

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Ole Cuss

04-16-2002 15:25:00

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 Re: Allis Chalmers AC-CA versus Ford 8n in reply to Dana Haynes, 04-16-2002 08:18:27  
What do you want to do with it? That counts for a lot.
The 8N is easier to get on an off; this is a popular feature with ladies and ld folks. The wide front end makes it safer and easier to steer when using a front-end loader. If you are going to get 3-pt hitch equipment, the 8N is already set up for it. Aside from those considerations, I would pick a good CA as the stronger and more versatile tractor. Many people worry about a narrow-front CA on hills but if you drive with your brain in gear, the CA handles hills very well; it's a nicely balanced tractor. Would also say that there is perfectly good snap coupler and pin hitch equipment available for use with the CA, and strongly suggest retaining the original CA hookup system; putting a 3-pt conversion on a CA is a desecration. If you want to use 3-pt stuff, get a 3-pt tractor. Parts for both the 8N and CA are readily available, new and used, from Ford, AGCO Allis, and numerous secondary sources, as are parts books and service manuals, which every tractor owner should have on hand for reference. Both tractors are fun and easy to work on in general.

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Brian G. NY

04-16-2002 17:33:39

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 Re: Re: Allis Chalmers AC-CA versus Ford 8n in reply to Ole Cuss, 04-16-2002 15:25:00  
Now, in many ways, A-C's "Snap-Coupler" system is superior to the 3-Point Hitch system. Unfortunately, however, it never got to be the industry standard. So.....even A-C bit the bullet and offered a 3-point hitch adaptor that fit the snap coupler. I guess if you use a genny-wine A-C 3-PH adaptor, maybe it wouldn't be a desecration?

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James (MO)

04-16-2002 10:29:43

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 Re: Allis Chalmers AC-CA versus Ford 8n in reply to Dana Haynes, 04-16-2002 08:18:27  
I'm certainly no expert on CA's - have a WD. But I do know the live power on the CA is very desireable. Ford 8N does not have it. My guess would be the CA also has more horsepower. The power shift wheels on the CA are a plus if you need to move them often. My $0.02

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