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D17 or D17

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D17?

04-14-2002 20:40:00




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I am looking a two D17s, plan on buying one. Here is the comparison, both are in very good shape and the selling price is about the same. The first is a series 3 gas with a wide front but without a 3 point hitch. The second is a series 3 diesel with a narrow front but has a three point hitch. So the question, all other things being equal, would it be less money to add a three point to the gas or a wide front to the diesel? Also does the one D17 being a diesel give it an advantage? In the past I have only had gas tractors.

Thanks for the input

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Don, Luling LA

04-19-2002 07:36:41




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 Re: D17 or D17 in reply to D17?, 04-14-2002 20:40:00  
Remember the gas is cheaper to rebuild and a whole lot easier to work on if your a novice. The gas does actually have a few more horsepower than the diesel does. The diesel might be a little better on fuel, not sure but most are.
Of course your choice.



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steve

04-15-2002 19:53:39




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 Re: D17 or D17 in reply to D17?, 04-14-2002 20:40:00  
my father in law had a D17 series 3 gas- for the last 20 years. It has wide front and 3 point. One of the best tractors ever built. I would buy the gas unit with wide front and install a good 3 point.



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Gary

04-15-2002 07:08:39




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 Re: D17 or D17 in reply to D17?, 04-14-2002 20:40:00  
Although there is nothing wrong with a narrow front, a wide-front is so popular and increases resale value of the tractor, so I would prefer the wide-front.

I replaced a narrow with a wide front on my AC D-17 IV, and with wasn't too hard, but the hardest think is locating one in good shape. I got lucky and found a parts tractor that was complete. Given the choice, I would much rather buy and bolt on a good 3 pt hitch, than replace the front end (assuming you could find one).

In an old tractor, gas seems more popular than diesel with us novices also, easier to work on.

Just my opinion, Good luck,
Gary

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JMS/MN

04-14-2002 21:46:47




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 Re: D17 or D17 in reply to D17?, 04-14-2002 20:40:00  
I would go with the gas version, whether you are farming full or part time. The D17 diesel was not all that dependable. For a minumum of trouble, stay with the gas. You say they are three-point. Do you mean snap-coupler or the ASAE three-point? Some call the snap-coupler a three-point. Whichever it is, if you have to add a three-point, it would be cheaper than fixing the diesel problems. As far as the wide front or narrow, if you are on flat ground, it would not matter. If on hills, the wide front is an advantage, but may not be worth it if you have a lot of engine problems. Bottom line is- engines are harder to switch than steering and hitches.

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Bryan Smith

04-16-2002 13:12:04




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 Re: Re: D17 or D17 in reply to JMS/MN, 04-14-2002 21:46:47  
Adding a 3ph is easier than switching front ends. With that in mind buy which ever one suits you. We had a D17 Series I diesel for years - great tractor, absolutely no engine problems or other problems. We did plug it in (block heater) in the winter to get it started, but it ran and pulled great. Bear in mind this was our heavy work tractor at the time - it did all the chisel plowing and disk harrowing on the farm in our clay soils. We finally traded it in on a 190XT for more power when we expanded our farming. Wish I still had it .....

I have also heard good reports on the D17 gas. If you want a wide front end buy the gas, if not buy the diesel.

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JMS/MN

04-16-2002 15:36:13




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 Re: Re: Re: D17 or D17 in reply to Bryan Smith, 04-16-2002 13:12:04  
Just curious- how wide a chisel could you pull with the D17? How many shanks and what depth? Around here, chisels didn't become popular until hp increased enough to pull a chisel as wide as the tractor. Now the bulk of primary tillage is with the chisel plow.



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Bryasn Smith

04-17-2002 05:57:19




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: D17 or D17 in reply to JMS/MN, 04-16-2002 15:36:13  
It was a smaller-framed 3 pont hitch chisel than what we use now. We generally pulled it 6" deep, perhaps 8" if we could get it down there. It was the same width or slightly wider than the tractor with I think 9 points. Remember, this was a smaller framed chisel, so the points were narrower and closer together than the chisels I am familiar with today. Compare that with the large chisels of today that with 9 points will be 8 to 10 feet wide. No, our old D17 wouldn't pull the 9 point chisel we have now for the 190XT ....! ;-)


Before that chisel we used a Graham-Hamery (not sure of spelling) chisel. It was a pull-behind chisel plow with a manual lift and depth setting and was also about the same width as the D17. I *think* it had 3 rows of points rather than the two found on everything today.

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